Whats needed for a 5.0 swap?

[HEMI LOL]

Call up bbr and ask about a 5.0 stroker

 

[Matt D]

Matt just do it already and show us the way.

Trying man... scraping the ground for pennies to make it happen

I will do a nice thread about it if it happens

 

[sportinawoody]

Call up bbr and ask about a 5.0 stroker

love the 3v power but there is really no comparison, 4v with bolt ons vs 3v stroked and built, 3v still gets handled. and when pistons, rods and custom grinds hit the market,,, im spraying with cams , full exhaust and an array of boltons w/ tuning and got my ass handed to me by an 11 w/lt's cai and tune. after that, i decided fuck this, ima hit up the junkyard when people start wrecking them and try an get one for 3000 or less and wait for the aftermarket to get in full swing

 

[06whipple]

Trying man... scraping the ground for pennies to make it happen

I will do a nice thread about it if it happens

Can't wait!

 

[Sinner]

why not just do a big bore/stroker on a 4.6 block? i didn't see why someone wouldbn't build a forged block and upgrade the cams and heads rather then buy a stock 5.0. wouldn't it be very easy to get the same or better results with a build?

i ask this because i would love to have to 5.0 in '05 car but just don't see it being worth the money or the hasle..... but i'm still learning, lol

 

[Matt D]

why not just do a big bore/stroker on a 4.6 block? i didn't see why someone wouldbn't build a forged block and upgrade the cams and heads rather then buy a stock 5.0. wouldn't it be very easy to get the same or better results with a build?

i ask this because i would love to have to 5.0 in '05 car but just don't see it being worth the money or the hasle..... but i'm still learning, lol

Because the flow of the 5.0 heads are worth it by it's self!

Plus the combo ported heads, the cams is gunna be insane

 

[levelbelow2000]

There also putting the new 5.0 in the new F150. Its going to have lower compression though, which would be good for supercharging. In a year or so there should be plenty of these motors floating around junk yards.

Its definitly a swap worth doing, a built 3-valve is going to put down about the same, or less, as a 5.0 does with minor bolt-ons. And Matts right, once u do ported heads and cams on a 5.0 the power is going to be insane.

 

[Deez-67]

There also putting the new 5.0 in the new F150. Its going to have lower compression though, which would be good for supercharging. In a year or so there should be plenty of these motors floating around junk yards.

Its definitly a swap worth doing, a built 3-valve is going to put down about the same, or less, as a 5.0 does with minor bolt-ons. And Matts right, once u do ported heads and cams on a 5.0 the power is going to be insane.

Thats what I was thinking...

 

[Torch Red GT]

Wow the swap is much simpler than I thought it would be

 

[Germeezy3]

F150 5.0 low compression would be the ticket, but it would still have those PMR's. I hope that the truck 5.0's are plentiful and eventually the cost is low enough to do one and swap the rods out for a reasonable price.

 

[Redfireshaker06]

The swap will not be that bad. The question will be, do we need the computer swap or can it be done w/ the 3v's computer.

 

[pacettr]

The swap will not be that bad. The question will be, do we need the computer swap or can it be done w/ the 3v's computer.

Pricing was just released today on the crate engine, and control pack (sold separate). It also mentions you need an alternator kit, p/s kit, and that the PCM That's included in the control pack) is designed to run with a return style fuel system. And the engine cover is also not included with the crate engine. Between those items mentioned, there shouldn't be anything else really needed.

Retail on the crate engine is $6900, and there's room for haggling. Retail on the control pack is $1495, which includes the PCM and the "body" harness. I didn't see pricing on the other kits required to make this work yet, but they'll be out soon.

The S197 and SN style 4.6 motor mounts will bolt right up. Any "modular" transmission will bolt up. It really shouldn't be a big deal to make one of these fully functional in an S197.

I'd imagine it would be reasonably easy to achieve for around $8500 for everything needed (assuming you get a better deal than retail).

Part numbers:

M-6000-M50 Crate engine
M-6017-A504V Control pack
M-8600-M50ALT Alternator kit
M-9680-M50 Engine cover kit
I don't have the part number for the P/S kit.

 

[19COBRA93]

My main thing is the computer. Anyone tuned one is the main question

Tuning would be nearly the same as tuning any '11 currently. And nearly every tuner is tuning these right now and doing a pretty good job of it.

The swap will not be that bad. The question will be, do we need the computer swap or can it be done w/ the 3v's computer.

Let me sum up... When you install the new 5.0L in anything other than a 2011 Mustang, you'll need the "Control Pack" which is offered through FRPP, and includes a version of the 2011 PCM. Aside from the return style fuel system used with the FRPP stuff, tuning would be all the same as any 2011 GT.

 

[pacettr]

Let me sum up... When you install the new 5.0L in anything other than a 2011 Mustang, you'll need the "Control Pack" which is offered through FRPP, and includes a version of the 2011 PCM. Aside from the return style fuel system used with the FRPP stuff, tuning would be all the same as any 2011 GT.

You can only LEAD a horse to water...

 

[Matt D]

*facepalm*

What I am wondering.. is how high the stock computer will be able to handle rpm wise.

Rick rev'ed their 5.0 to 7800 on the stock valve springs so they didn't go any further. I figure ford must of built them to handle 8000 or so...

Once the valve springs and cams are out 8000 will be a normal rpm to us mod motor guys

 

[pacettr]

*facepalm*

What I am wondering.. is how high the stock computer will be able to handle rpm wise.

Rick rev'ed their 5.0 to 7800 on the stock valve springs so they didn't go any further. I figure ford must of built them to handle 8000 or so...

Once the valve springs and cams are out 8000 will be a normal rpm to us mod motor guys

The BOSS 302 redlines @ 7500 STOCK, so I would think, based on history, there is room to grow. Ford rarely if ever "maxes out" parts from the factory.

 

[Germeezy3]

*facepalm*

What I am wondering.. is how high the stock computer will be able to handle rpm wise.

Rick rev'ed their 5.0 to 7800 on the stock valve springs so they didn't go any further. I figure ford must of built them to handle 8000 or so...

Once the valve springs and cams are out 8000 will be a normal rpm to us mod motor guys

I am also wondering for those chasing big N/A power how much control you will have over TiVCT cam timing changes.

 

[Germeezy3]

The BOSS 302 redlines @ 7500 STOCK, so I would think, based on history, there is room to grow. Ford rarely if ever "maxes out" parts from the factory.

The Boss also has forged internals as well and a different intake design.

 

[Matt D]

But we are talking about the computer limit.... Doesn't matter about intake or internals..

The possiblities open up huge on the NA combo's if we can rev them to 8000 and still have time to shift them. Im getting excited just thinking about the NA combo's xD

 

[Sinner]

thanks for answering my qustions above.... i want a 5.0 swap too!