2016 gt350

[Boaisy]

My local dealer is claiming they are able to take orders now, but they usually say dumb shit like that just to get customers in. I usually just ask my friend to check so I won't have to walk in there.

As far as the trans, everyone is still speculating, but I have not heard any official word from Ford yet. I think Gmitch is saying it might be a 6060 w/pump like the 13 GT500, and he is the one with the insider that knows what he is talking about. His insider didn't tell us that the GT350 was going to have a 6.2L, LOL.

 

[Department Of Boost]

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I think it said upgraded 6060 was the tranny.

I said that, I think I was wrong. It looks like they are using a hot rodded transit van gearbox like they did with the MT-82.

 

[Deez-67]

 

[Boaisy]

Ford is supposed to have a block at the LA show today. They may reveal a bit more, or just talk about the new Explorer.

 

[Gabe]

I said that, I think I was wrong. It looks like they are using a hot rodded transit van gearbox like they did with the MT-82.

It has the MT-82 shift pattern on the shift knob, so it's probably an MT-82 in there ...

 

[Department Of Boost]

It has the MT-82 shift pattern on the shift knob, so it's probably an MT-82 in there ...

It's a hot rodded version of this:
http://www.tremec.com/anexos/File/TREMEC_TR-3160.Transmission.pdf

 

[psfracer]

I am going to seriously look into one of these when the time comes.

Hopefully I can get a real close up/detailed look at it in person at the LA auto show next week. Vegas this week though. Got to have priorities.

 

[Bud]

I am going to seriously look into one of these when the time comes.

Hopefully I can get a real close up/detailed look at it in person at the LA auto show next week. Vegas this week though. Got to have priorities.

Have fun in Vegas man. Look forward to some good pics and cool we get a live feed this year. I swear I'm going to make it out there one year, hopefully it'll be next and you will have your car out.

 

[psfracer]

Have fun in Vegas man. Look forward to some good pics and cool we get a live feed this year. I swear I'm going to make it out there one year, hopefully it'll be next and you will have your car out.

And you will have to slow your car down, so we can both run 8.50s....

 

[Unreal]

Just going off what the z07 carbon/zr1 owners are saying. The stock GM carbon brakes don't have good feel/modulation. Maybe Porsche/Ferrari/etc are better, but many are swapping to steel to get better control. Here is one guy. His z07 is a track only toy, and he has a GT3 RS too, so I'm pretty sure he isn't some poser judging off his videos and setup.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...25-ceramic-to-rb-steel-rotors-conversion.html
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...light-weight-steel-rotors-option-for-ccm.html

 

[stkjock]

That is mostly down to pad composistion. Track pads work good on the track, street pads work good on the street. When the carbon stuff first came out yes, there were issues with heating them up so that is where that "wives tale" came from. The OEM's didn't start using them until that was solved.

But, the carbon brakes have a much larger window as far as pad performance goes. A street carbon pad will be more than enough for 99% of track day'rs because you can heat them WAY up and they won't go outside their operating window. A steel rotor street pad doesn't have nearly that flexibility.

Of course race carbon brakes with race pads need to be warmed up still. But only hard core racers will be running that combo. And they sure wouldn't run it on the street, assuming the car could even go on the street.

I saw a Top Gear episode where they had three supercars for an "adventure". They stopped at Imola (Italy) and ran the cars around. Jeremy was running the big Lambo with carbon brakes. They were GLOWING (this was daytime, not night) bright orange in the heavy brake zones. No fade (he commented on it). Then they pulled out of the track and continued their adventure across Italy. Awesome brakes.

I recall that episode.

At one point I'm pretty sure he says "the brakes are gone"


edit - found it @ 2:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1dKx7ZMHs#t=131

 

[Department Of Boost]

I recall that episode.

At one point I'm pretty sure he says "the brakes are gone"


edit - found it @ 2:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx1dKx7ZMHs#t=131

I forgot about that. That said, you can kill any brakes. Even F1 brakes. But note how he only missed the apex by 10' or so, it's not like they were gone. That would have had him in the gravel trap.

And when you kill steel brakes (really the pads) you can't just let them cool and then go back out on the track like Jeremy did. You will need new pads at a minimum with steel brakes.

Thanks for the link, I can't watch that stuff too many times. Those guys literally have the best jobs ever!

 

[Department Of Boost]

Just going off what the z07 carbon/zr1 owners are saying. The stock GM carbon brakes don't have good feel/modulation. Maybe Porsche/Ferrari/etc are better, but many are swapping to steel to get better control. Here is one guy. His z07 is a track only toy, and he has a GT3 RS too, so I'm pretty sure he isn't some poser judging off his videos and setup.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...25-ceramic-to-rb-steel-rotors-conversion.html
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...light-weight-steel-rotors-option-for-ccm.html

You got me, I'm a plant for the carbon brake industry and I was trying to steer everyone wrong. Steel brakes are hands down better than carbon ones.

 

[Unreal]

Carbon brakes are awesome, don't get me wrong, but I much rather not pay for them on a street car, and a lot of track guys prefer steel brakes. I rather have the brakes the gt350 has, and not be forced to buy $10k brakes. If someone wants them, they can add them. In vette land you typically see the opposite. Show guys buying the used zr1/z07 brakes, and the track guys converting for any number of reasons. Cost, pad choice, feel. At the last NASA event I went to, there were at least 3 ZR1s converted to steel brakes, and these were all hardcore track guys tracking $100k+ cars.

I'm not saying steel are better, but depending on the application, person, etc there are advantages both ways and it is up to the individual to weigh the options and choose. The carbons are not just hands down better in every case is all I was saying, even for someone with lots of money.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Just a thought here, so correct me if this doesn't seem right...

The problem with the carbon brakes is that they're probably too good.... They stop so damn well that it doesn't take much to hit ABS. There probably isn't much petal feel with a big brake booster either.

Bruce Griggs actually recommended for me to take the brake booster out and put in a second master cylinder if I was serious about track racing. Yea, it would take A LOT more effort to get to full braking, but according to him you can modulate your braking far more accurately than with boosted brakes.

 

[swedensky]

My local dealer is claiming they are able to take orders now, but they usually say dumb shit like that just to get customers in. I usually just ask my friend to check so I won't have to walk in there.

I'm pretty sure order banks are open.

 

[Unreal]

Read those threads from CF. The owner and several others go into it. Basically pad choices are limited, and the pads have to be thin by design which cause some issues.

If I get a gt350, it would be a around town fun car that may see a track 1-2 a year. For me, I rather not pay $8-10k for CCB brakes and keep the cost down. If anything, do it like the z06 and make it an option. If someone wants them, great, but don't do a z28 and have $75k car just to put CCB brakes on it.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Just a thought here, so correct me if this doesn't seem right...

The problem with the carbon brakes is that they're probably too good.... They stop so damn well that it doesn't take much to hit ABS. There probably isn't much petal feel with a big brake booster either.

Bruce Griggs actually recommended for me to take the brake booster out and put in a second master cylinder if I was serious about track racing. Yea, it would take A LOT more effort to get to full braking, but according to him you can modulate your braking far more accurately than with boosted brakes.

Could be, it all comes down to feel. On motorcycles I'm really sensitive to what master cylinder I'm using. I really could care less about the calipers and rotors, I want the master cylinder a certain way and a pad I like.

My thoughts on the Corvette guys changing out their carbon stuff for steel is that they weren't getting the feel they wanted. But you don't fix feel with rotors, you fix feel with pads (assuming that the brakes aren't way over boosted or something). Maybe the Corvette guys don't have many pad choices. Maybe they are just stupid and in a search for feel they switched to steel because they liked how their friends car felt with steel brakes. Maybe the ones that run NASA aren't legal with carbon. Who knows.

There is all sorts of stuff out there that is new which isn't fully understood or sorted. I've run in to it myself. When the Ohlins TTX came out I was hip to the technology and I knew the factory guys were hauling ass on it, but I didn't warm up to them right away. I ran the older technology stuff for another season while I sorted the TTX stuff out during testing. Once I figured out how the TTX liked to be set up and ridden they were great, but before that I was more comfortable with the old stuff.

I do know that all things being equal no one is going to convince me that steel is better than carbon. Aside from cost.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Read those threads from CF. The owner and several others go into it. Basically pad choices are limited, and the pads have to be thin by design which cause some issues.

Looks like I got tree'd. I was just typing that this may be the case.

If I get a gt350, it would be a around town fun car that may see a track 1-2 a year. For me, I rather not pay $8-10k for CCB brakes and keep the cost down. If anything, do it like the z06 and make it an option. If someone wants them, great, but don't do a z28 and have $75k car just to put CCB brakes on it.

I'm the opposite. If I were to get a GT350 it would be for a few weekend blasts around town but mostly for track days. I agree, make the brakes an option. Who wants to pay $10K for brakes they don't need? I know I don't want to. I don't have carbon brakes on my F-150.

I have been told for almost a year now that the GT350 was going to be a track day tool. It's not. Don't get me wrong, it's good, but it's not nearly hard core enough. The R probably will be, but I have zero chance of getting one of those. Guess I will have to go with plan B, build a track car from scratch or buy someones unfinished project for $.33 on the $1.00 and then finish it.

 

[stkjock]

I forgot about that. That said, you can kill any brakes. Even F1 brakes. But note how he only missed the apex by 10' or so, it's not like they were gone. That would have had him in the gravel trap.

And when you kill steel brakes (really the pads) you can't just let them cool and then go back out on the track like Jeremy did. You will need new pads at a minimum with steel brakes.

Thanks for the link, I can't watch that stuff too many times. Those guys literally have the best jobs ever!

yea, I know one can kill near anything. Thanks for the info and education.