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I'm wondering what is the restriction in airflow beginning to end? I have JLT 110mm into stock 890cfm size 55mm TB ported, stock manifold with CMC deletes 260cfm, stock heads 227cfm intake 175cfm exhaust with unknown cams, stock ex manifolds (but ready to install bbk long tubes), catless x pipe, 2.5" pipes into borla ataks. I don't understand if TB and IM are not restriction then how can ya get increase in hp going bigger. Is the exhaust too small? I plan on always being NA. I might port heads same time I do headers. I know this platform is old and everything has been done that's possible, I just need your experience. Thanks
 
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The stock exhaust manifolds are definitely restrictive on an NA set up because the runners are too small. The stock cats are also restrictive. Therefore upgrading the front half of the exhaust system with full-length headers will give you the biggest HP/TQ gains. Cat-backs and axle-backs are only for the sound.

On the intake side, the biggest restrictions are the stock air filter assembly and the charge motion control valves inside the intake manifold. Once you've done a CAI & deleted the CMCVs, the stock intake manifold with delete plates only becomes a restriction above 6200rpm. Therefore an aftermarket manifold would be a waste of money unless you're planning to rev the engine to at least 7000rpm. Even then, you'd need ported heads with upgraded valve springs plus longer duration cams to take full advantage of a manifold upgrade. Therefore the intake manifold should be the last item to tick off the list after ported heads & cams.

If you're going to remain NA my advice would be to do a JLT 3 CAI, Steeda underdrive pulleys (worth 8-10hp with no downside), DIY ported stock TB, DIY CMCV delete, full-length headers (if your state allows) or JBA shorty headers (if your state doesn't allow long tubes), a high-flow catted mid-pipe, and a remote e-mail tune (Lito is the best) with the rev limit set at 6500rpm. Collectively these are loosely termed "full bolt-ons". You could then do a DIY mild head port job, call it a day, and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

All performance cams will sacrifice torque below 4400rpm so unless you're going to spend a lot of time racing or want to brag to your buddies about the extra HP and the lopey exhaust note, don't bother. Ford already gave us excellent street cams with variable cam timing as the cherry on the cake.

if you have an '07-'09 GT with a stock 3.31 axle gear ratio, consider swapping in a 3.73 (for stock cams) or 4.10 ( for performance cams) ratio.
 
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I have just about everything on your list now. JLT 3, ported stock TB, CMCV deletes, cat less ex. 6400rpm redline, cams, 4.10,s and 93 Oct tune.
 
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Ok let's do this, " Is a straight thru 2.5" exhaust restrictive to a FBO 3v"? If so-Would cut outs at headers work? Or 2 3/4" straight thru? 3" ? thanks.
 

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I guess it depends on the other supporting cast. It's a complete package, it will only allow what the poorest part will flow.
 

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No need to even go straight through. The stock mufflers might cost you a couple HP at that level, a straight thru type aftermarket axle back, I'm sure would rob literally nothing.
I had a Dynomax axle back on my supercharged 3V and went back to the stock mufflers. Noticed no difference with the butt dyno and it still traps at 117.
 

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Ok let's do this, " Is a straight thru 2.5" exhaust restrictive to a FBO 3v"? If so-Would cut outs at headers work? Or 2 3/4" straight thru? 3" ? thanks.
Cut outs are good for making noise, that’s about it. With the engine tuned for the hardware you are running any changes require an adjustment in the tune for best results. Quality headers with 2 1/2” hi flow cats and 2 1/2” pipes all the way to the back will work great but it will be loud as hell. A good set of chambered mufflers can add big boy tone without being raspy.
 

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I had a Dynomax axle back on my supercharged 3V and went back to the stock mufflers. Noticed no difference with the butt dyno and it still traps at 117.

Not even to mention, the '07-09 GT500 was sending 500 hp through those same mufflers! I've seen the internal design and not sure how they got them to flow so well, but they did.

BTW sandman- long tubes with OEM mufflers sound pretty sweet. Plenty loud and they don't drone. Without cats they'd be even louder, I have cats and small bullet mufflers on mine from a previous setup and was running OEM's for awhile until I got these used GT500 mufflers that are loud as hell for some reason but they sound incredible.
 

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Exhaust note is a subject topic… some people like their cars loud and other like them stock quite.

I personally like a low rumble and then when I punch it all hell breaks loose… I have shorties, H-pipe and stock mufflers on my 05’ GT. Even my little 87’ 5.0 which has long tubes, X-pipe and Ultra flows with axle dumps is considered quite for a car with HP built motor.

I despise the obnoxious “fart can” exhaust and the “crackle and pop” which is so common today. I am old school and a car that constantly back fires all the time just sounds crappy to me.
 
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