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[QUOTENot a fair comparison. If the auto had had a tune you would have been just as impressive as the other car, and maybe more.[/QUOTE]

This was a manual car. So maybe it had better than 3.15s.

Still sucked.
 

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Interiors suck balls in c5 vettes, that's what kept me from them

Agree, they aren't the greatest by a long shot. I do like the gauges, seating position etc alot more though.

They aren't much for anything other than driving (which I kinda like honestly). My 'gripe' is the mushy material used for the dash and stuff. Not really sure wtf was going on there.
 

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Yea I had a 3.73 from factory in my 5.0 man, I just pulled it and put a 3.55 in it.

How you liking the 3.55? I was on the fence for a while between those and the 3.31.

Sorry, threadjacked... back on topic-ish... I still think you should do the Coyote swap!
 
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No it won't. Look at recent history, Fox, SN95, SN95 New Edge, 05-09 S197, 10 S197, 11-12 S197, 13 S197. It keep getting better!!!

I can't say the last two body styles got better. Almost looks like an import. I am envious of the engine only.
 

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If money is an issue than stick with what you have and drive it till the wheels fall off, than pay cash for your next one. I love my car and it's mine and there is not another one exactly like it, I chose to install a whipple and I love it, next I will upgrade the interior. There is always going to be something nicer or better, if you have money to keep chasing the next guy/ model go for it or be happy with what you have and make it yours.
 

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Still sitting on the fence with this. However I've been putting some numbers down, and the truth is, I could s/c my car get high 11's (mid 400's to the wheels) still do some mods and drive it to the beach and back. Have a paid for car with minimal debt for the set up which would include new wheels.

I could buy a 5.0 run mid 12's and do wheels. (at least for a few years thats all I could do.) I'm afraid I'd get bored with it. But I'm afraid if I do the other car I'll wish I had a 5.0.. This is a first world problem for sure, but it's a hard decision to make.

I'm just typing my thoughts out loud here.
 

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If its a daily driver, the 5.0 is tough to beat. If it is your fun car and you will own for awhile, the 4.6 makes more sense as a starting point. I really had a hard time deciding. The maturity of the 4.6 aftermarket decided me.
 

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As you know, I've flip flopped between a new car and keeping my car and supercharging it just like you. After doing the math (paying down debt, car that is almost paid off and considering starting a family with the wife), I'm just keeping my ride and going boost over the winter. :highfive:



Still sitting on the fence with this. However I've been putting some numbers down, and the truth is, I could s/c my car get high 11's (mid 400's to the wheels) still do some mods and drive it to the beach and back. Have a paid for car with minimal debt for the set up which would include new wheels.

I could buy a 5.0 run mid 12's and do wheels. (at least for a few years thats all I could do.) I'm afraid I'd get bored with it. But I'm afraid if I do the other car I'll wish I had a 5.0.. This is a first world problem for sure, but it's a hard decision to make.

I'm just typing my thoughts out loud here.
 

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The limit in my car is 11.50's no matter what so my procharger will do what I need it to do.
I will not be putting a roll bar in my car EVER, so 11.5's will be my tippity top and I would be extremely happy at that point. (shit I'm happy now lol)
As a matter of fact I will NEVER put a roll bar in a new car that I drive.

If I'm dying to go super fast (which I'm not) I will just buy a 91 notchback and make it street/strip with a roll bar and all.

Makes sense to me :p
 

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What about the new Camaros?????
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sure, if your scared of going fast.

This exchange made me LOL!

I can't say the last two body styles got better. Almost looks like an import. I am envious of the engine only.

Almost looks like an Import? Are you high?

Still sitting on the fence with this. However I've been putting some numbers down, and the truth is, I could s/c my car get high 11's (mid 400's to the wheels) still do some mods and drive it to the beach and back. Have a paid for car with minimal debt for the set up which would include new wheels.

I could buy a 5.0 run mid 12's and do wheels. (at least for a few years thats all I could do.) I'm afraid I'd get bored with it. But I'm afraid if I do the other car I'll wish I had a 5.0.. This is a first world problem for sure, but it's a hard decision to make.

I'm just typing my thoughts out loud here.

Brother, I'm going to tell you my thoughts on this.

1. Putting a S/C on your current ride without a forged bottom end is a time bomb waiting to detonate. If you keep it at/under 450rwhp, you should be fine for quite a while. But if you want to turn up the wick, then the clock starts counting down.

2. Hanging out with my local Mustang Club, I've had a chance to drive and race quite a few different setups. On the same day in which we did a dyno meet, my buddies 2008 GT with a Procharger put down 445/410 with his 5-speed manual and 3.73 gears. He has delete plates, CAI, intercooler, headers, full exhaust with no cats and a dual disk clutch. He's running Saleen 18" wheels with BFG KDW2 tires in a square setup of 275/40/18. He has D-Spec struts and shocks, K-Springs and LCA's.

I have a 2011 GT Premium M6 with 3.55 gears. CAI, Jon Lund 93 octane tune, O/R X-Pipe and Flowmaster mufflers. I've put on Koni STR.T struts/shocks, Steeda Ultralight springs, ASA wheels and 255/35-19 up front and 275/35-19 out back. I have LCA's with relocation brackets. I was put on the dyno right after him. The temps and all were still the same and I laid down 419/393.

For whatever reason, I beat him in races from a dig, a 40 roll and a 60 roll. The 60 roll was horrible for him as I jumped out ahead and easily stayed ahead up to 130 where we shut down, slowly pulling on him the whole time. My ability to be in third, in my power band, is what made the difference. That and my 7300rpm red line helped a lot. My power drops off at 6850, but it isn't a dramatic drop off.

From a dig, I got out in front up to 40, then he got a fender on me and by 80, I had a half fender on him. We stayed there to 120 which is where I started pulling on him. My ability to stay in each gear longer really helped out. I still had my stock shifter at that point. But was able to shift much smoother and quicker than he could. His 3rd gear would grind a tad before engaging.

If I were to put the smallest super charger on my car, I would be very safe up to 600hp and firmly trounce most blown 4.6's. As it is, I've only had one blown 4.6L stay ahead of me, but he has a forged bottom end and is putting down 500hp to the rear wheels.

The thing is, once you start really modifying the 4.6L to hold bigger HP, you start having to upgrade a lot of other things to get the power to the ground effectively. You will eventually cross that line between comfortable daily driven Mustang to waking up one day and realizing your car isn't as comfortable as you would like it to be for long trips or even just driving around town. I've done this myself, too many times, and have learned my lesson.

2. The 2011+ Mustang's have much better interiors IMO. Also, the technology is awesome. The 2013's are to die for IMHO! The suspension upgrades stock to stock from the '05-'09 Mustangs to the '10+ cars is nothing to sneeze at. It really makes a BIG difference, IMO, when you want to throw the cars around.

3. With the 2011+ Mustang's, you have a more solid performance foundation from which to work. The aftermarket has responded to these cars faster than any other car I've ever seen come out in my life. The tuners, for the most part, have these cars down pat. Especially the majority of the vendors here.

4. If you can have the Mustang paid off in a year, and also have a beater truck for when you don't want to drive the Mustang, it's a no brainer for me. I'd be in a new 2013 immediately! These Mustang's, even when modded as much as mine, are still extremely comfortable rides. Taking 8 hour trips is nothing. I do not get uncomfortable in this car. Many people who have ridden in it have commented on how smooth it is on the highway and, I get 25-26mpg at 70mph.

Ultimately, it's up to you. You are taking the time to make an informed decision and that's awesome! Good luck to you in making a final decision. If you stick with your current ride, I personally would start planning a Coyote swap or a 5.4L GT500 motor swap.
 

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I agre with just about everything you said, and to expand on this, it is because I believe although a supercharged 3v will produce more peak power then a 5.0, the 5.0 has just as much power if not more throughout its power band.

This is coming from a guy who is going to keep his 3v for years to come. As much as I love the new mustangs and if I had the money I would seriously consider jumping into one, there are other cars and things I want to buy more. For how I see it, when I finally do get to the track, auto cross, and road courses, I'll come to terms with the fact that the majority of the time my car spends is on the street, and other then the occasional street race, it is a fun car that rows the gears and looks/sound good doing it. I am going to make a few mods to it to get a little more power and make it my own, and just go from there.

Sorry I that went off on a poorly written tangent, but what I essentially am saying is the 5.0's are better in every single way, however if you enjoy your car enough, that really won't matter.
 

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The limit in my car is 11.50's no matter what so my procharger will do what I need it to do.
I will not be putting a roll bar in my car EVER, so 11.5's will be my tippity top and I would be extremely happy at that point. (shit I'm happy now lol)
As a matter of fact I will NEVER put a roll bar in a new car that I drive.

If I'm dying to go super fast (which I'm not) I will just buy a 91 notchback and make it street/strip with a roll bar and all.

Makes sense to me :p

Makes perfect sense to me. I've always said 11.50 was my cut off too. Because like you, I willnot cage a car that I drive a lot. Also agree about building a notch if wanting to go faster. SO this is a great point.

As you know, I've flip flopped between a new car and keeping my car and supercharging it just like you. After doing the math (paying down debt, car that is almost paid off and considering starting a family with the wife), I'm just keeping my ride and going boost over the winter. :highfive:

Also a great point, and a smart decision on your part, especially if you're planning a family. Will be looking foreward to your boost build up.


1. Putting a S/C on your current ride without a forged bottom end is a time bomb waiting to detonate. If you keep it at/under 450rwhp, you should be fine for quite a while. But if you want to turn up the wick, then the clock starts counting down.

2. Hanging out with my local Mustang Club, I've had a chance to drive and race quite a few different setups. On the same day in which we did a dyno meet, my buddies 2008 GT with a Procharger put down 445/410 with his 5-speed manual and 3.73 gears. He has delete plates, CAI, intercooler, headers, full exhaust with no cats and a dual disk clutch. He's running Saleen 18" wheels with BFG KDW2 tires in a square setup of 275/40/18. He has D-Spec struts and shocks, K-Springs and LCA's.

I have a 2011 GT Premium M6 with 3.55 gears. CAI, Jon Lund 93 octane tune, O/R X-Pipe and Flowmaster mufflers. I've put on Koni STR.T struts/shocks, Steeda Ultralight springs, ASA wheels and 255/35-19 up front and 275/35-19 out back. I have LCA's with relocation brackets. I was put on the dyno right after him. The temps and all were still the same and I laid down 419/393.

For whatever reason, I beat him in races from a dig, a 40 roll and a 60 roll. The 60 roll was horrible for him as I jumped out ahead and easily stayed ahead up to 130 where we shut down, slowly pulling on him the whole time. My ability to be in third, in my power band, is what made the difference. That and my 7300rpm red line helped a lot. My power drops off at 6850, but it isn't a dramatic drop off.

From a dig, I got out in front up to 40, then he got a fender on me and by 80, I had a half fender on him. We stayed there to 120 which is where I started pulling on him. My ability to stay in each gear longer really helped out. I still had my stock shifter at that point. But was able to shift much smoother and quicker than he could. His 3rd gear would grind a tad before engaging.

If I were to put the smallest super charger on my car, I would be very safe up to 600hp and firmly trounce most blown 4.6's. As it is, I've only had one blown 4.6L stay ahead of me, but he has a forged bottom end and is putting down 500hp to the rear wheels.

The thing is, once you start really modifying the 4.6L to hold bigger HP, you start having to upgrade a lot of other things to get the power to the ground effectively. You will eventually cross that line between comfortable daily driven Mustang to waking up one day and realizing your car isn't as comfortable as you would like it to be for long trips or even just driving around town. I've done this myself, too many times, and have learned my lesson.

2. The 2011+ Mustang's have much better interiors IMO. Also, the technology is awesome. The 2013's are to die for IMHO! The suspension upgrades stock to stock from the '05-'09 Mustangs to the '10+ cars is nothing to sneeze at. It really makes a BIG difference, IMO, when you want to throw the cars around.

3. With the 2011+ Mustang's, you have a more solid performance foundation from which to work. The aftermarket has responded to these cars faster than any other car I've ever seen come out in my life. The tuners, for the most part, have these cars down pat. Especially the majority of the vendors here.

4. If you can have the Mustang paid off in a year, and also have a beater truck for when you don't want to drive the Mustang, it's a no brainer for me. I'd be in a new 2013 immediately! These Mustang's, even when modded as much as mine, are still extremely comfortable rides. Taking 8 hour trips is nothing. I do not get uncomfortable in this car. Many people who have ridden in it have commented on how smooth it is on the highway and, I get 25-26mpg at 70mph.

Ultimately, it's up to you. You are taking the time to make an informed decision and that's awesome! Good luck to you in making a final decision. If you stick with your current ride, I personally would start planning a Coyote swap or a 5.4L GT500 motor swap.

Very good information here. Interesting too. Something about those coyote's are just bad ass.. I have taken a great liking to the 13's as well. I just have to keep weighing it out awhile.
 

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Buy the 2011+... if 11.50 is your goal, then all you need is a tune, cai, x pipe, tires and some decent control arms. :D

Don't weigh it out, just do it, and thank us later
 

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Seer... you should trade in the 2012 GT500 for the 2013... I mean, what's the point of all that work your doing when it's available from the factory? Plus the taillights are cooler!

Don't weigh it out, just do it, and thank us later :)
 

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Seer... you should trade in the 2012 GT500 for the 2013... I mean, what's the point of all that work your doing when it's available from the factory? Plus the taillights are cooler!

Don't weigh it out, just do it, and thank us later :)

My 2012 has a whipple 2.9 on it, last time I checked 2.9 was bigger than 2.3 :D

If the 2013's engine was coyote based, we wouldn't be having this discussion, it would be in my driveway
 
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If all you want is mid 11s I don't see how buying another car makes sense. You keep what you have and supercharge it you're there. By the time you spend all that money on a new car and boltons to do the same you could've forged and boosted the current car.

450whp on a stock bottom end 3v may last quite a while. Who knows. But if you think you'll ever boost a stock coyote. You are in the same boat as far as ticking time bomb boosted stock bottom end land.


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