5.0 or Blower

[SkidAce]

Still sitting on the fence with this. However I've been putting some numbers down, and the truth is, I could s/c my car get high 11's (mid 400's to the wheels) still do some mods and drive it to the beach and back. Have a paid for car with minimal debt for the set up which would include new wheels.

I could buy a 5.0 run mid 12's and do wheels. (at least for a few years thats all I could do.) I'm afraid I'd get bored with it. But I'm afraid if I do the other car I'll wish I had a 5.0.. This is a first world problem for sure, but it's a hard decision to make.

I'm just typing my thoughts out loud here.

You just answered your question. It appears you like modding and tinkering with your car. Keep the 4.6 and mod, mod, mod. Have fun with it.

This is a hobby after all correct?

 

[cm581978]

It's really a difficult decision when you come to think of it. Boost the 3v, be limited to 450-500whp on the stock block and hope it doesnt grenade. But, if the car is paid off or your loan amount isnt too high, then it may be the risk to take. My pickle is knowing that I have only 7k left to pay off on my car and I cant stomach going from that loan amount to something 20k-25k over an additional 5 yrs.

 

[fhlh]

My 2012 has a whipple 2.9 on it, last time I checked 2.9 was bigger than 2.3

If the 2013's engine was coyote based, we wouldn't be having this discussion, it would be in my driveway

LoL... just pulling your chain... we all know the fun is in the building

Serious Question. Why Coyote based? for the VTT?
I've heard this before and the VTT was the reason given.

You just answered your question. It appears you like modding and tinkering with your car. Keep the 4.6 and mod, mod, mod. Have fun with it.

This is a hobby after all correct?

Right... and there is always someone faster out there...

It's really a difficult decision when you come to think of it. Boost the 3v, be limited to 450-500whp on the stock block and hope it doesnt grenade. But, if the car is paid off or your loan amount isnt too high, then it may be the risk to take. My pickle is knowing that I have only 7k left to pay off on my car and I cant stomach going from that loan amount to something 20k-25k over an additional 5 yrs.

^^^^^^
Smart Guy

 

[Seer]

LoL... just pulling your chain... we all know the fun is in the building

Serious Question. Why Coyote based? for the VTT?
I've heard this before and the VTT was the reason given.

Coyote has the best flowing head Ford has ever made, its just very efficient at making power with minimal modification. I am fairly certain we will see a SC Coyote making it's way into the top tier mustang next generation.

The Cobra Jet has stopped using the mod motor for this year and only offers two choices of coyote engines now.

 

[Bill220]

If I had the money I'd have a 2012-2013 GT or a used GT500 sitting in my garage.

My 09 Bullitt only has 17,000 miles on it and is in excellent condition but I probably owe about what it's worth so I'd come away with no equity. If I had a fair amount of equity in the car, it would be gone. My previous car was a 4 cylinder with 160 something HP so when I bought the Mustang I was quite pleased with 315 HP, but over time I've become bored with it.

I've gone over this many times in my head and by the time I would add a forged bottom end, blower, gauges, clutch, suspension mods etc, I'd be better off buying a used GT500 or a 5.0. Having said that, when my budget allows, I'll probably install a Roush TVS kit (the 475 FWHP version), hope the stock bottom end holds up and add supporting mods as I can afford them.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

3V! BLOW IT



































up...............LOL!!!

 

[topbliss]

OP. There are 600+whp built 3v cars going up for sale with less mileage than yours has. For under 25K.

Do you really wanna spend another 15-20,000 to buy a 5.0 and mod it to get to the same point? Are the other improvements in the car really worth that much money to you? You could just sell your current car for 15, spend another 8-10, and be at the same power level of a boosted 5.0. Or put the 8-10 into your own car. These are the sorts of questions you need to be asking yourself before you give in to the "gotta have it" disease.

Oh, and stock bottom end 3v cars have gone 10s btw. Just throwing that out there. lol

^^^ This

 

[cwhit23]

You just answered your question. It appears you like modding and tinkering with your car. Keep the 4.6 and mod, mod, mod. Have fun with it.

This is a hobby after all correct?

Yep this is a hobby. So your point is valid. I don't daily drive the car anymore. I would however drive the 5.0 daily if I proceed in that direction.

It's really a difficult decision when you come to think of it. Boost the 3v, be limited to 450-500whp on the stock block and hope it doesnt grenade. But, if the car is paid off or your loan amount isnt too high, then it may be the risk to take. My pickle is knowing that I have only 7k left to pay off on my car and I cant stomach going from that loan amount to something 20k-25k over an additional 5 yrs.

Yeah, thats the other side of it. I haven't had a car payment in quite a few years. Paid everything off and it's been nice. But that also put me in the position of being able to buy what I want. It's kind of a double edged sword.

I've gone over this many times in my head and by the time I would add a forged bottom end, blower, gauges, clutch, suspension mods etc, I'd be better off buying a used GT500 or a 5.0. Having said that, when my budget allows, I'll probably install a Roush TVS kit (the 475 FWHP version), hope the stock bottom end holds up and add supporting mods as I can afford them.

That is exactly what I keep thinking about.

3V! BLOW IT



































up...............LOL!!!

lol unfortunately I've already done that once. still putting it back together. Thats what has spawned this whole web in my head. It's already apart.. easy to build, it's already apart easy to put stock and trade/sell.

 

[Riptide]

Estimate around 15K after trade in for a new 5.0 stock. Take another 2K or so for bolt on upgrades to hit around 440-450whp. You just spend 17K to get a car and have it at the same level of performance that you could have got with your current car after spending 5-7K on a blower kit and gauges. Thousands less if you get a used kit.

Spend 5-7K on the blower kit. Spend another 10-11K to build the motor. Includes fuel system, cams, exhaust, tuning, and a clutch. Now you have spend about 15-17K, the same as you would to buy a new 5.0 and bolt ons, and you're making a LOT more power.

Suspension upgrades are cheap. You have the same chassis the 5.0 has. Just upgrade the shocks and springs if it's that big of a deal to you. Lotta these guys already spent that money on their brand new cars with it's "upgraded" suspension anyway.

Spend that 15-17K for a bolt on 5.0 and then you end up getting a blower someday anyway right? Thousands more yet and you are still basically about at the same spot you'd be with the built 3v performance wise. And you'd be on a stock bottom end that may or may not last. So factor in forging that coyote.

Goodness me. This gets expensive doesn't it? I guess if the money really isn't important or the upgraded interior is that big of a deal to you. Go right ahead. It's not my money.

 

[Bill220]

lol unfortunately I've already done that once. still putting it back together. Thats what has spawned this whole web in my head. It's already apart.. easy to build, it's already apart easy to put stock and trade/sell.

It's good that you have the skills to do your own build. I'm good for basic maintenance and that's about it. It would cost me way more than you to do a forged bottom end.

 

[cwhit23]

Estimate around 15K after trade in for a new 5.0 stock. Take another 2K or so for bolt on upgrades to hit around 440-450whp. You just spend 17K to get a car and have it at the same level of performance that you could have got with your current car after spending 5-7K on a blower kit and gauges. Thousands less if you get a used kit.

Spend 5-7K on the blower kit. Spend another 10-11K to build the motor. Includes fuel system, cams, exhaust, tuning, and a clutch. Now you have spend about 15-17K, the same as you would to buy a new 5.0 and bolt ons, and you're making a LOT more power.

Suspension upgrades are cheap. You have the same chassis the 5.0 has. Just upgrade the shocks and springs if it's that big of a deal to you. Lotta these guys already spent that money on their brand new cars with it's "upgraded" suspension anyway.

Spend that 15-17K for a bolt on 5.0 and then you end up getting a blower someday anyway right? Thousands more yet and you are still basically about at the same spot you'd be with the built 3v performance wise. And you'd be on a stock bottom end that may or may not last. So factor in forging that coyote.

Goodness me. This gets expensive doesn't it? I guess if the money really isn't important or the upgraded interior is that big of a deal to you. Go right ahead. It's not my money.

Another awesome perspective to things.. this doesn't make it easier, but all these ideas opinions have helped me a lot. I appreciate the feed back.

It's good that you have the skills to do your own build. I'm good for basic maintenance and that's about it. It would cost me way more than you to do a forged bottom end.

More so my brother than myself, He is a master mechanic and has built 9 second cars. His knowledge and ability is impressive. however I am lucky I only pay for parts and machine shop work. All the labor and wrenching is done by me and my brother. That really does add up to a shit load of money saved

 

[Riptide]

Not to mention you get the bragging rights that go with doing your own work. Counts for something IMO.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

The more you think about it the more that 3V depreciates. Take your time. I'm sure that lump of coal will be a diamond one day.

 

[Riptide]

I didn't realize the 5.0 was somehow impervious to depreciation? The newer the car the quicker the depreciation. Not the other way around.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

Mines 24k gold!!!

 

[konablue11gt]

Go take a new 5.0 for a test drive...dont buy it just drive it...then do the compare

 

[weather man]

Go take a new 5.0 for a test drive...dont buy it just drive it...then do the compare

New car smell has been shown to make grown men pull the wallet out. See it every day.

 

[crownaviation]

Since you have it taken apart... why not just throw some rods and pistons in that mother and now you have tons more options for not much more $$$. I have never heard of anyone killing their stock 3v crank at 600whp or less. Just sayin.

Stock internals= 450 probably max safely. This has been done by many for $3500... (mee too) Yes, the DOB kit was worth the $$$ but now I crave more.. Other kits are nice too, but more $$$ to setup and probably not worth the extra if you are limited to a stock bottom end.

550whp is not much more in the long run if you forge up now (on top of the $3500). Either option has you looking at the nice end of that 5.0. You could get there in small steps after the initial build.

I was in the same boat. Almost demodded and went 5.0. Just could not get there. Think I will buy another 07-09 gt500 for the weekend ride and go nuts on my 07 GT...

In either case.. I appreciate the fact that you atleast CONSIDER financial responsibility and debt management. Wonder why we are where we are these days.. Paid for used to be a big deal to some.

 

[crownaviation]

Not to be a salesman.. which I am not. Do some more math.

Lets just say you spend up to $4000 on a supercharger something for everything including tune. (please do not spend too much on a supercharger/turbo if you are on stock internals... cant do much with it).

Lets say you don't like the car afterwards. Return it to stock (cause you have the skills to do that). I bet you could get $3000-$3500 for a ready to go DOB kit (or others) that is tested and all the nuts and bolts ready to ship. Hell, I would have paid more. A plus for me was I bought what I wanted for the setup and got some good deals from all the new 5.0 guys LOL...HEHEHE...

You are out what? $1000 MAX plus labor? That is about how many payments on a new 5.0? How MANY payments we talking about? Two or three payments... you will not even notice the difference by the time the new 5.0 is paid for (lots of them payments lol).

Don't get me wrong, not a damn thing wrong with the new 5.0's. In fact I love them. Eventually I will probably have one in the garage for a DD, but in a couple years when I can pay cash for one. I have just wasted so much money in my life buying "NEW" cars that I simply refuse. "Paid for" is something I like to say with a bit of pride! I would rather waste my money on modding lol. It is more fun IMO.

 

[lostsoul]

The more you think about it the more that 3V depreciates. Take your time. I'm sure that lump of coal will be a diamond one day.

HAHAH ass..

your diamond lost 5K the minute you drove off the lot.. then another 1K after all the glaze you put on.