76mm turbo or D1?

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Some of you may have noticed the HP Performance turbo kit I have for sale. This got my gears turning. What has the capability of making more HP. A single 76mm turbo or my D1?

I know almost zero about turbos so go easy on me.
 

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I think a turbo would have more capability. But looking at your numbers under your sig, I wouldn't change a thing.
 

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Turbo, always, on less boost too. :)

I hava 67mm turbo thats making a mild 655rwhp at 16psi. It will make 700-750rwhp no problem.
 

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Your right, If I was smart I would just leave stuff alone. Most of the time my curiosity cost me too much money.
 

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D1 with a wastegate, best of both worlds, mwahahaa.
 
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D1 with a wastegate, best of both worlds, mwahahaa.

Wrong, it still takes power to turn the blower....which is why Turbos make more power per lb of boost than any other power adder.


So Marc whatever the D1 will do the HP turbo kit will do and with less boost, but you want to change out your gears ...do you still have your stock gears?
 

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D1 with a wastegate, best of both worlds, mwahahaa.


Not quite, a good mod for a centri, but this just lets you get to full boost a little bit before redline instead of at redline.

As soon as the turbo is spooled, its full boost all the way up to redline. :)

So basicly when a centri is just starting to build a few lbs of boost , a turbo is at full boost.
 

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What size Exhaust Housing do you have? .96,1.0,1.15????? Also what size down pipe?


I have a .68, .81 and .96. The .68 is on the car now and made 655rwhp. The down pipe is 3" vband to 3" piping. That stays s" till the y where it goes to two 2.5" oulets to the stock over axlepipes. Im going to modify the y to go from 3" to two 3" oulets. To match up with the 3" overaxle pipes I have. (Im adding a full 3" magnaflow exhuast here shortly) Then im going to measure backpressue and see where I am at.
650rwhp is the most power i would run on the .68 housing. If i ever decide to crank it up on race gas i will swap the .81 or .96 back in, but i like the .68 on the street.

Keep in mind this is a billet wheel 67mm turbo which flows more like a cast/standard 76mm.
 
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836 RWHP/ 848 RWTQ with my 74mmbb Precision 22 to 23 psi's on E85, with a .81 a/r 3" downpipe.


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Wrong, it still takes power to turn the blower....which is why Turbos make more power per lb of boost than any other power adder.


So Marc whatever the D1 will do the HP turbo kit will do and with less boost, but you want to change out your gears ...do you still have your stock gears?

I still have my 3.55's that came out of it.

It's mine haha I want it bro it's sold

Well, if you don't buy it I might. Then I will put the D1 on the Raptor if I buy one.
 

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Some of you may have noticed the HP Performance turbo kit I have for sale. This got my gears turning. What has the capability of making more HP. A single 76mm turbo or my D1?

I know almost zero about turbos so go easy on me.

What??? What about the 4 liter Whipple?

I can give you a bit of reference from John's dyno. Terminator with new 8.7 cr aluminator, 76mm turbo, race gas, 24.5 lbs of boost made 670. There's probably some form of documentation floating around on the local forum. I'll see if I can dig something up.
 

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What??? What about the 4 liter Whipple?

I can give you a bit of reference from John's dyno. Terminator with new 8.7 cr aluminator, 76mm turbo, race gas, 24.5 lbs of boost made 670. There's probably some form of documentation floating around on the local forum. I'll see if I can dig something up.

I sold the 4.0 with the GT500.

I should probably just stay with the Procharger and upgrade to a F1. Only looking at making 650whp anyway.
 

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I sold the 4.0 with the GT500.

I should probably just stay with the Procharger and upgrade to a F1. Only looking at making 650whp anyway.

Why not make 650 rwhp on less boost with a better power curve if you can? You will have a car that will cruise out nice with the 3.55's and be an absolute animal any other time!
 

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Not quite, a good mod for a centri, but this just lets you get to full boost a little bit before redline instead of at redline.

As soon as the turbo is spooled, its full boost all the way up to redline. :)

So basicly when a centri is just starting to build a few lbs of boost , a turbo is at full boost.

Not quite.

First let me say that yes, a turbo will make more peak power (and torque) at the same boost as a centri. I love turbos, I've had several turbo cars, and they really do out-power (peak #'s) just about every power adder out there, boost for boost.

The only thing turbos don't have, which is what my "problem" with them is, is power under the curve. They're either on or off. You have virtually nothing under 3500 rpm for hp/tq. You're either waiting for boost, or you're spinning tires. There really isn't an "in-between."

Now, I'm running an F1C, wastegated. I see full boost (14lbs) by about 4500 rpm (results may vary depending on your target boost pressure and altitude). I have 6 lbs at 2500, and 9 lbs by 3500. The car PULLS from 1500. It's not tire spinning torque down low like a roots type blower, it's more linear and smooth. It doesn't hit like a turbo either.

However, because I'm spinning the blower that hard, at lower boost (14 lbs is low with a pullied down F1) it doesn't make killer numbers up top. My hp and torque really fall off around 6200, simply from the HP it takes to spin the blower that hard. But, if I run a larger pulley and slow the blower down, I lose more of the low end torque but gain my upper RPM power back. So I can "tune" my power band depending on which pulley I run, and peak boost is always the same based on my wastegate setting. This is mostly because I'm running a large, very capable blower. A D1 probably won't be as effective, at least at my altitude (5000 feet).

So, in the world of "this power adder is better than that power adder" I'm certainly not going to say one is better than the other as I beleive they all have their place. But I feel my setup is a NICE compromise between them all. Plus I get the pleasure of listening to that F1 sing at just about every RPM, especially idle.

Anyway, there's my .02.

My suggestion, decide what type of power-band you want, what hp number you're looking for, what type of driving/racing you're going to be doing the most, and then look at which power adder fits those needs the best. And maybe go for a ride in each if you can.
 

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