BBR Testing with Ford Racing Intake Manifold

[TheKurgan]

I would agree. The 5r55s robs us of allot of power. I had my car tuned at the same place on the same dyno twice. The first time I was using the stock 5r55s and converter. the second time the only changes were delete plates, a built 4r70w w/ a pi converter and a 76mm turbo vs the 70mm that was on it the first time. The car made 150rwhp more at the same boost level!!!! Hell I even had big drag radials on it the second go vs hard low profile 20's the first time.

Come on man. You know that is not apples to apples either....not even close. I mean I respect Joe at Dynospeed and all but really ?

 

[one eyed willy]

I can't tell you how many times i heard "with those mods you will be lucky to see 280-290rwhp.. Well with my mods i got 308.68rwhp/317.66rwtq throught my auto.

Just intake, full exhaust, cmcv, udp.

You have a factory freak!!!

 

[RetroGT2006]

Every car is different, as is every dyno/setting. Your car will probably dyno different numbers depending on where you go, temps outside, etc. Also you have a FULL exhaust while the car in question only had an ORX pipe and axle back, no headers. Aren't headers supposed to add close to 20HP or so?? Also the car in question didn't have delete plates either.

Yeah, full exhaust but it really doesn't give a lot of power for N/A. My boy had the same mods i have minus headers, and when he put his LTs on, he gained like 4-5hp. It was mainly sound.

Bottom line is that car should of put down 300rwhp without the manifold. You can search online and find hundreds of dyno sheets to prove it. Hell, I've seen email tunes with those mods put down 300.

Deleting the cats is where you see the gains on most long tube installs, but that's a whole other bench race.

Exactly, i don't have the manifold and have above 300rwhp on my automatic. My car was email tuned by Tillman Speed, its never been dyno tuned. When i made the runs, it was over 95* out and 60% humidity when i made the three runs back to back. Oh i even drove like an hour or so of hauling ass on the highway, flooring it a lot and literally was the first to drive up n dyno it out of our car club. One eyed willy was there, ask him.

You have a factory freak!!!

lol . No but in all seriousness, that original post by BBR was missing something. Something doesn't sound right to me. If i am wrong then i'm wrong and i'll admit it but i honestly don't believe it.

 

[one eyed willy]

that original post by BBR was missing something. Something doesn't sound right to me. If i am wrong then i'm wrong and i'll admit it but i honestly don't believe it.

i already explained to you guys....dont know why no one listens.....they put the decimal in the wrong spot.....it made 3.6 not 36!!

 

[NastyStang113]

i already explained to you guys....dont know why no one listens.....they put the decimal in the wrong spot.....it made 3.6 not 36!!

Not buying it either.. Not to mention the fucking numbers are STD...

 

[RetroGT2006]

i already explained to you guys....dont know why no one listens.....they put the decimal in the wrong spot.....it made 3.6 not 36!!

 

[one eyed willy]

i saw a dyno the other day on the internet......if you stacked 2 of these manifolds ontop of each other you get 72 HP!!!

 

[GT/CS]

I call BS. The baseline and FRPP intake #'s seem low.

I guess Retro and I have some freaks! my 07 made 309/323 with SW LT headers, catless x, FRPP stingers, UDs, tuneable intake and mail order tune, which is RICH. #'s were from a mustang dyno on a 90deg high humidity day.

 

[Redfire_WNL]

I really wish BBR could get back in here to defend there name because they haven't said anything after the first couple of posts. Maybe this is a marketing ad setup by Ford so they could sell it but I sure hope it's not worth however much Ford is paying BBR.

 

[lostsoul]

Damn.. too much confusion here.. I will make this easy...

1) If you have power adder and money = buy it
2) If you have power adder and no money = dont buy it
3) If N/A = Dont buy it save money to not be N/A
4) If your N/A but thinking about power adder in the future and have crap load of money = buy it
5) If your saying hey wait, I'm stroked and cam and spent 20K to be N/A because I wanted to get the same HP as a power adder for $6K = buy it.. you got too much money


I hope this helps


basically, we will all be beating each other up on trying to figure it out. But the point about it being released and not many shop results is a little scary..

I have to give props to BBR for posting something.

 

[bigmachano]

i can't believe this bullshit. everyone was bitching day and night about seeing numbers for this intake and now when the numbers start trickling out everyone bitches about stupid shit. every engine/car/dyno/anything is gonna put down different numbers, period. what counts is back to back runs and the difference. and at the end of the day, dyno numbers are just that, numbers... they give you an idea of what you're playing with. i, for one, really like this intake manifold and will be purchasing it later on in the deployment as one of my winter mods. thanks bbr for the numbers!

dane

 

[RetroGT2006]

I call BS. The baseline and FRPP intake #'s seem low.

I guess Retro and I have some freaks! my 07 made 309/323 with SW LT headers, catless x, FRPP stingers, UDs, tuneable intake and mail order tune, which is RICH. #'s were from a mustang dyno on a 90deg high humidity day.

Lol yeah, my mail order tune was rich too. So there is some more power in her for sure. Still got some bolt ons left i could do too!

 

[eng943]

Easy boys.

BBR is a stand up business and I'm sure they would be happy to clarify the particulars and let you decide.

I like what I have seen from F/I'd forum members that have done back to back dyno runs with this manifold. My 02. is that it is a decent investment relative to cost for an F/I car or an N/A car with heads, and cams.

I have not decided between the FRPP or the JPC, but I will do one or the other in spring and will hapily report the findings just as I did with the AFM Power Pipe.

 

[one eyed willy]

i can't believe this bullshit. everyone was bitching day and night about seeing numbers for this intake and now when the numbers start trickling out everyone bitches about stupid shit. every engine/car/dyno/anything is gonna put down different numbers, period. what counts is back to back runs and the difference. and at the end of the day, dyno numbers are just that, numbers... they give you an idea of what you're playing with. i, for one, really like this intake manifold and will be purchasing it later on in the deployment as one of my winter mods. thanks bbr for the numbers!

dane

when you say "everyone" that kind of broad....ive personally have never said anything....maybe im the only one,lol.

problem i have is that there are more of these intakes in the world other than just this one.....and according to BBR and you (becuase you beleive this)......then all the other ones that HAVE ALREADY BEEN DYNOED must have been incorrect because they came in alot less.....im not saying BBR is shady at all, i like BBR and i dont live that far from them, might even take my car there one day.....im just saying that something is not adding up......if there was an issue with the car on the first dyno, then this comparison is not valid. the power the car is making NOW is right on target with what it should be making with his mods and that intake.....the previous dyno was VERY low for his mods......so settle down tiger!!

 

[Corpo]

Well I got a idea. I have cmcv deletes right now. And i have a frpp intake manifold in my garage. I'm waiting on tunes from bamachips for the intake. I also am setup for a 75hp shot of nitrous. However I'm poor (bought too much mods) and a dyno pull costs $120cad at my shop. If people want more numbers on this manifold I'll take donations I can install it my self and with my bama tune I'll ask them to rush it. With $240cad I can baseline, then get a after dyno pull. I'll throw in $40.

Just a thought, lol

mod list:
wms 95mm cai
gt500 tb
stock intake with cmcv deletes
long tubes o/r H magnapacks
udp's
electric water pump
4:10
pre electric water pump, Nitrous, Bama tune, and with plugged cats dyno pull With a xcal 3 preprogrammed tune was 308rwhp 340rwtq sae corrected.

 

[JeremyH]

Looking at BBR's orig post again, it doesn say anything about having a 93 oct tune of any kind for the before run. I guarantee the final reuslts were on a 93 octane dyno tune. I assume the C&L racer would need some sort of canned tune to run correct? SO if it had just an 87 canned tune, it makes a little more sense.

93 octane Dyno tune - 25rwhp (on a car that already has a cai, tb, o/r x etc..)
Removal of cmcv plates- 5rwhp
Frpp intake manifold - 6rwhp
For a total of 36rwhp gained.

Its still odd that the before and after lines are so far apart from each other down low. The FRPP intake is desgined to flow better up top. There should be minimal gains at 3000rpm and then the gains should rise with rpm from the better flow. Not just be consistantly more throughout the rpm range, weird...

 

[KungFuHamster]

i can't believe this bullshit. everyone was bitching day and night about seeing numbers for this intake and now when the numbers start trickling out everyone bitches about stupid shit. every engine/car/dyno/anything is gonna put down different numbers, period. what counts is back to back runs and the difference. and at the end of the day, dyno numbers are just that, numbers... they give you an idea of what you're playing with. i, for one, really like this intake manifold and will be purchasing it later on in the deployment as one of my winter mods. thanks bbr for the numbers!

dane

agreed

 

[*JZ*]

So what is BBR's price on the manfiolds?

$545

Those "baseline" numbers don't seem to be that far off. Think about this

Stock = 300HP

CAI/Tune +25HP

Throttle body + zero HP (maybe some extra once the intake was installed)

Underdrive pulleys +7 to 10HP

Off road x pipe + 10HP

Axle backs + zero HP

So using my internet racing math here I come up with about 345 CRANK HP. Take away about 20% from drivetrain loss and RWHP should be around 276HP. That number is pretty close to what the car actually put down. Not playing the devils advocate here but the BEFORE numbers seem pretty legit. The AFTER numbers do seem high though. That's great if this is indeed the additional power gained from the intake.

Also take into consideration 100% humidity and 100*+ temp in the shop.

 

[*JZ*]

I really wish BBR could get back in here to defend there name because they haven't said anything after the first couple of posts. Maybe this is a marketing ad setup by Ford so they could sell it but I sure hope it's not worth however much Ford is paying BBR.

Sorry guys...

Was working at the Fire Dept. Couldn't get back in here.


These are real numbers.

Car was full operating temp on all runs.

It was over 100* in the shop with 100% humidity. So air quality was crap.

it's an automatic, which is why the numbers are so low.

Every car will react different to this item. This car just happened to pick up great power. Could it only pick up 25 horsepower in another car? SURE... Just like cams could pick up only 10 horsepower on one car were as the next will pick up 40.

Seriously... you all wanted numbers... I gave them to you... Now you're bitching???


I could give two shits if this product worked. I posted this for you all to see b/c it was being asked for.

 

[zxmarekxz]

Sorry guys...

Was working at the Fire Dept. Couldn't get back in here.


These are real numbers.

Car was full operating temp on all runs.

It was over 100* in the shop with 100% humidity. So air quality was crap.

it's an automatic, which is why the numbers are so low.

Every car will react different to this item. This car just happened to pick up great power. Could it only pick up 25 horsepower in another car? SURE... Just like cams could pick up only 10 horsepower on one car were as the next will pick up 40.

Seriously... you all wanted numbers... I gave them to you... Now you're bitching???


I could give two shits if this product worked. I posted this for you all to see b/c it was being asked for.

I think people are a bit touchy from the pre-release version CL manifold episode. I'm sure people will buy this and more results will come out.