Blackfire Wet Diamond Sealant A+++

[way2qk4u2c]

grabber do it- i love it... best stuff ever

 

[Seer]

I don't agree with this.

155 Degrees will cause 3rd degree burns in a matter or a couple of seconds.

200+ Degrees can cause 2nd, even 1st degree burns depending on how long the skin is in contact with that object.

I've left my car parked outside for hours at a time in 100+ degree weather, and have rested my arms and hands (skin was exposed) and nothing.

I don't think the surface temps get that hot. Maybe 125-140.

Anyhow, I think I am going to have to buy some of this stuff.

You may need to recheck your information. I've actually seen people burn themselves by touching a black car while in a hot sun. Now I do agree with you, the average temp in a hot sun usually sits around 140. But on a hot day in the south... it is not rare to see it go over 200.

 

[Grabber]

You may need to recheck your information. I've actually seen people burn themselves by touching a black car while in a hot sun.

Yes, it can happen.

I am just saying I do not think 200 degrees is accurate.

I'd say more like 150, which can cause minor burns. 200+ Degrees are 2nd degree burns which cause blisters, extreme swelling, etc.

Ask me how I know? I grew up around Firemen, and my Father was one for 30 years. I kinda know about hot surfaces, cold surfaces, etc. Doesn't take an engineer to know how hot something is.

 

[Seer]

Yes, it can happen.

I am just saying I do not think 200 degrees is accurate.

I'd say more like 150, which can cause minor burns. 200+ Degrees are 2nd degree burns which cause blisters, extreme swelling, etc.

Ask me how I know? I grew up around Firemen, and my Father was one for 30 years. I kinda know about hot surfaces, cold surfaces, etc. Doesn't take an engineer to know how hot something is.

I've actually taken temperatures before... dark blue, black, dark red etc vehicles have reached over 200 degrees in the summer.

Carnaubas begin to melt at 180F

 

[John@Lethal]

Work in the garage, or shade. Crisis adverted.

 

[Seer]

Work in the garage, or shade. Crisis adverted.

Agreed, what we are talking about is, when you park the car out in the sun, at work, shopping mall etc.

Typically the higher end carnaubas don't have a real huge issue with excessive sun and the heat, but some of the off the shelf stuff and sub $100 stuff, usually can though.

Sealants like BFWD won't have this problem typically.

 

[blk5.0]

wonder what bf wax can with stand?

 

[Seer]

wonder what bf wax can with stand?

all depends on its carnauba content. You also have to determine how they are advertising it.

Some zymols will advertise that they contain over 70% carnauba, but that is in comparison to the other waxes found within the compound (paraffin, beeswax aka propolis, candellila etc).

Anything over roughly 36-38% overall wax content would render the wax useless as it would become as hard as a brick.

Most sub $100 waxes contain about 15% carnauba vs. the overall compound.

Then you need to look at what kind of carnauba is in it. White (extremely rare), Micronesed Ivory (Bleached yellow but strengthened with minerals), #1 Yellow, #3 Yellow, Brown etc etc.

More Carnauba typically means how hydrophobic the wax is, as well as how strong the coat might be. Optical clarity is a direct result of which carnauba type you are using, as well as what oils are found within the compound.

 

[John@Lethal]

^ Not sure where you're going with that. Sounds like he's just asking about durability of the wax.

Simply put, if you're looking to apply one coat of BlackFire Midnight Sun ( The Paste Wax) it will only probably last a few weeks. It won't protect like a polymer sealant, but will repel water and debris pretty well for about 2 weeks, depending on environment conditions.

 

[Seer]

^ Not sure where you're going with that. Sounds like he's just asking about durability of the wax.

Simply put, if you're looking to apply one coat of BlackFire Midnight Sun ( The Paste Wax) it will only probably last a few weeks. It won't protect like a polymer sealant, but will repel water and debris pretty well for about 2 weeks, depending on environment conditions.

Where I am getting at is quite obvious. I am showing how one can determine how durable a particular carnauba based wax is vs. another. Also giving an education of car care product marketing vs. actualities.

 

[John@Lethal]

Most mainstream companies don't give you a carnauba percentage anyway, no offense, but for a simple question you're over-elaborating and that's what I mean. How many people will actually use ingredient percentages to figure out how long their wax will last?

We can break down every last bit of fiber in the car care world, but as you can see, I give averages so people can learn for themselves in their particular environment. If they want me to elaborate, then there is a PM box. If it's laid out here it opens the thread up to be completely derailed like this already has been. If you want, we can grab Mike Phillips' e-book and pick out every detail and debate about it. For now, let's continue to be civil and discuss a common threat while keeping threads we post on topic.

 

[DKS]

Sub'd I'm interested in this BlackFire Wet Diamond Stuff you guys speak of, lol


(P.S. I use a 4oz bottle to carry around with me as I'm using a PC to apply BFWD. I get 3-4 cars out of each 4oz bottle)

 

[stkjock]

Cut the nonsense.

Keep on topic. Thread cleaned up

 

[Jared@Lethal]

Cut the nonsense.

Keep on topic. Thread cleaned up

Thanks Dave.

 

[09 Ricky]

Just used this sealent for the first time yesterday. Car looks fantastic and the sealent is super easy to use!

 

[John@Lethal]

Just used this sealent for the first time yesterday. Car looks fantastic and the sealent is super easy to use!

Glad to hear that, Ricky. Let me know if there's anything else you need.

Post pictures if possible!

 

[09 Ricky]

Glad to hear that, Ricky. Let me know if there's anything else you need.

Post pictures if possible!

thanks for all the help and info john! Now the wife wants the fusion done lol!

 

[Digital_Synapse]

waxes are organic and are made from various waxes wich as carnauba, paraffin, candellila, and beeswax along with oils and solvents. They don't last as long but five off a nice wet jetting appearance that's usually very deep. Sealants are polymers or synthetics containing silicones. They last longer but usually look reflective and stale but are getting better hence bfwd. You can use both but its always wax on top of a sealant.

That's what the terminology states on most retail sites, from what I've read, but I've yet to meet anyone that can determine what is on a car be it wax/sealant, as far as appearance and feel. Maybe your eye is that much better than mine, completely possible, but I just cant see it. I've also done tests at professional detailers around San Antonio and Austin with a whole car done in half...asked if anything looks different, and if so what? No one has gotten it right to this day. These are folks in the business of detailing, I'm just the average Joe. They may very well be different on the molecular level, but for all intensive purposes for me, that look is so minimal I don't see it, and I've not met anyone who can. The look is the same, there is no "sterile/stale" or "warmth/glow", it's all the same. Like 90% of the look is achieved by surface prep anyways.

The other things you noted are more relevant IMHO, such as conditions and temps the car sees. That just tests durability, not initial appearance, which is virtually the same. I'm sure results vary from wax to wax, and sealant to sealant, but that too is negligible for the most part.

Guys, let's all have a look see of a hood done in 2 pieces, a sealant AND a wax.

Before treatment.

After treatment...15seconds...can you tell me which side is wax, and which side is sealant?

45 seconds

1 minute

I'll see what you folks think before I answer. Be back tomorrow.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

Left Sealant

Right Wax


I win. lol! J/k........awaiting the answer.

 

[fdjizm]

Oh oh, guess which one is on my car!!???
Maybe it was $2,000 maybe it was $12.99, can you tell the difference?