Daily Driven Superchargers

[drbobvs]

9K miles on my Saleen with no reliability issues. I've taken it from state to state and back and forth to work.

I wouldn't be concerned about air to air, Procharger systems have proven themselves reiliable too. Besides, if you're "stuck in traffic" you're not under boost anyway, and if you are under boost, you'll must be moving, so it's a mute point.

 

[Steedman07]

Whichever one you get, if the tune sucks, then it doesnt matter what it is..Get a good pro safe street tune and any of them should be fine..

 

[Dex]

Turbo or KB. Turbo will help you save gas. a 60-1 trim turbo will give you good low end torque just like a twinscrew would

In this Utah weather I would think the KB would heat soak really quick. air to air would work much better IMO. You have to get so many supporting mods for a s/c. Better heat exchanger, ice box, 8 rib pulleys, better tensioner, pull everything off to switch a pulley or belt. Turbos FTW!

 

[don_w]

... pull everything off to switch a pulley or belt..

Not true for the KB. There is nothing in the way of the pullies or belt. It only takes a couple minutes to change either one. I've done it dozens of times at the track.

 

[US-1]

I have twin turbos with an air-air intercooler. No problems.

 

[SloSVO]

Not true for the KB. There is nothing in the way of the pullies or belt. It only takes a couple minutes to change either one. I've done it dozens of times at the track.

Don, I would have never imagined your engine compartment being that dirty..

 

[don_w]

Don, I would have never imagined your engine compartment being that dirty..

Not that I really care how clean it is, when it sits for 2 or 3 months, it ends up looking like that. It has since been cleaned a little.

 

[MrBubbles]

I know this is slightly off topic, but does anyone think I will have a problem running a hellion turbo on my black s197 in AZ? We drive year round and summers are almost 120 F in the Phoenix area. I was going to run a conservative tune with 5-7 psi only, just a little worried if the heat under the hood will cause any issues. I was thinking about investing in a new hood with air vents as well. Any replies would be appreciated, thanks!

 

[Dex]

Run methanol

 

[SloSVO]

Not that I really care how clean it is, when it sits for 2 or 3 months, it ends up looking like that. It has since been cleaned a little.

AHHH much better

 

[ChevyKiller]

I know this is slightly off topic, but does anyone think I will have a problem running a hellion turbo on my black s197 in AZ? We drive year round and summers are almost 120 F in the Phoenix area. I was going to run a conservative tune with 5-7 psi only, just a little worried if the heat under the hood will cause any issues. I was thinking about investing in a new hood with air vents as well. Any replies would be appreciated, thanks!

I would not run an air to air system in arizona IMO.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Not true for the KB. There is nothing in the way of the pullies or belt. It only takes a couple minutes to change either one. I've done it dozens of times at the track.

It is the same for my whipple - only takes me about 1-2 minutes to change a belt or pulley.

 

[ChevyKiller]

yea basically a centri is a belt/gear driven turbo , and its all a matter of what you like im not even going to get into the whole t/s vs centri vs turbo thing its pointless any1 can be made reliable and fastto an extent

example :

ck t/s running 9's
jim roots t/s running 9's
vinny barber turbo running 8's
forensicsteve turbo running 10.0
justin bertram centri running 8's
05 stroker centri running 10's possible 9's

i just personally rather turbos not saying its better but just my prefrance and yes i run a powerhouse with a air/air and sd runs a exile with air/air

BUT - out of everyone you just mentioned, only me and 05 stroker drive the cars on the street! BIG DIFFERENCE especially since the thread is about daily driving applications. As I said earlier, 'race cars' are another amnimal - but we are talking about DAILY DRIVING and in that regard, water cooled is > then air cooled...period.

 

[ChevyKiller]

thats what i wanted to hear.all i need a couple of more answers like this an i'm getting the procharger.anyone else to support that answer

no


And for the guys chiming in about running air to air with no problems - nobody is saying that you will have issues with air to air cooling on the street. The discussion is not if you will have issues but what is better for daily driving.

You may not have 'issues' with your air to air system, but it still doesn't change the fact a water cooled system is better for daily driving in hot conditions and heavy traffic conditions.

 

[bigray327]

You may not have 'issues' with your air to air system, but it still doesn't change the fact a water cooled system is better for daily driving in hot conditions and heavy traffic conditions.

I'm not convinced of that. What allows an air/air system to cool? The contact of ambient air on the vanes of the radiator. Said ambient air doesn't need to be moving across the surface of the vanes. This is similar to the heat exchanger on the top of your computer's CPU. So whether you're stopped or doing 80 shouldn't matter much, maybe some small number of degrees.

As for an air/water system, the system can only cool the charged air to the temperature of its coolant. If it's a hot day, and you're sitting in traffic for an hour, the coolant will be hot. So how much cooling is it doing, compared to an air/air system that uses radiator vanes that are exposed to the ambient air?

 

[SloSVO]

no


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You may not have 'issues' with your air to air system, but it still doesn't change the fact a water cooled system is better for daily driving in hot conditions and heavy traffic conditions.

CK. please explain to me why W2A is better than A2A in DD?? I don't understand how the water is going to get any cooler than what ambient temp is at the time..

 

[Dex]

exactly. Once you become heat soaked you are done. Air to Air you can still cool down with a drive. OR you can buy a 7 gallon bucket and stick it in your trunk and continue to fill it with ice. No thanks

 

[Freaknazty]

yea me personally i rather put a 7 gal meth tank there lol , and like ray said i live in hell too even further south than him lol and ive never had overheat issues with mine and if your that worried get the pipes jet hot coated to reduce underhood temps but the highest my iat's got on the dyno was 104 so yea a/a imo

 

[ChevyKiller]

Guys, there is a lot of variables here and where you live being one of the biggest.

In arizona like the poster asked, or here in cali, or texas, or anywhere where it is DRY heat and not a lot of humidity, water is definitely going to cool better in DD conditions than air.

Humidity does come into play. Example why in some states an a-fuel car will always dominate a blower car and other states visa versa.

It really depends on where you live IMO. In arizona like he asked, no way air is going to be better than sitting in traffic and YES, the water in a large resevoir is going to be cooler than ambiant air temp with no flow and in many cases out here in dry heat, the water is going to be cooler than even air with flow.

 

[Dex]

I live in Utah. No issues with getting too hot with the air to air. I also dont do WOT pulls in traffic.