Do you think my idea will work

[GI Joe]

I want to run an air to water intercooler on my turbo setup but its mainly for race use. I use the car on the street some. So what I thought about is ...install the air to water intercooler but install a heat exchanger in line so I can have the best of both words ( my inlet temps are too high and the car yanks too much timing.)
So do you guys think this will work? Should be in essence the same as a K/B or saleen set up but located in different places. Heat exchanger will be in same location, intercooler in the location that a normal air to air is located and just above the heat excahnger. I have already taken all the measurements to make it work.Instead of a small fill tank like my Saleen had and K/B/s have I would put the ice chect in trunck. During street use run straight water. At the track drain the water and put in the ice...
Let me know your thoughts
One thought would be the bigger pumps it would take...The JPC setup use it from the rear...so say I go with that setup and add the H/E in line basically.

 

[Docktour Z]

Of course that will work, PSI is PSI and the car doesn't care whether it comes from a turbo or a hair-dryer.

 

[07 Boss]

Of course that will work, PSI is PSI and the car doesn't care whether it comes from a turbo or a hair-dryer.

Dude, what are you talking about?


GI Joe, I'm not sure that you are going to gain much out of that. I like your thinking though, but here are my thoughts. Now I am just conjecturing here, but it would be interesting to run the numbers. I guess what you would have to do is find out how warm the water is coming out of the intercooler. They only way you would make any gains might be if that temp is quite a bit warmer than the ambient air temp so the heat exchanger would actually be doing something. Another though that pops into my head is that if you are running ice water at the track, is that water going to get hot enough to have the heat exchanger work in the right direction. Like I said I have no idea how the much the water temp will go up after the intercooler. I mean if your water temp is 70* after the intercooler and the ambient air temp is 80*, won't you be in fact cooling the outside air, rather than the air cooling the water in the heat exchanger? I don't know if this makes any sense because I've never heard many talk about monitoring intercooler water temps.

 

[GI Joe]

Dude, what are you talking about?


GI Joe, I'm not sure that you are going to gain much out of that. I like your thinking though, but here are my thoughts. Now I am just conjecturing here, but it would be interesting to run the numbers. I guess what you would have to do is find out how warm the water is coming out of the intercooler. They only way you would make any gains might be if that temp is quite a bit warmer than the ambient air temp so the heat exchanger would actually be doing something. Another though that pops into my head is that if you are running ice water at the track, is that water going to get hot enough to have the heat exchanger work in the right direction. Like I said I have no idea how the much the water temp will go up after the intercooler. I mean if your water temp is 70* after the intercooler and the ambient air temp is 80*, won't you be in fact cooling the outside air, rather than the air cooling the water in the heat exchanger? I don't know if this makes any sense because I've never heard many talk about monitoring intercooler water temps.

yea see my concern is that the air to water cooler will not work good on the street...that in fact with out a heat excanger that it will get heat soaked...because I do not plan to put ice in it on the street at all...just water.. So I thought adding the H/E would surely pull some heat out that would otherwise be there...that set up would be similar to a K/B or even a vortec with a maxcooler ( they do use a H/E dont they?)
One of the things that I was not sure about working also was that the fittings on the ice boxes are rather large...1" mostly. The H/E are generally 3/4" so if it comes from the intercooler and head through the H/E before circulating back to the ice box ( watertank) and pump, would the reduction in pipe size and subsequent rise in pressure be ok or have any negative effect on the pump or anything...

 

[07 Boss]

yea see my concern is that the air to water cooler will not work good on the street...that in fact with out a heat excanger that it will get heat soaked...because I do not plan to put ice in it on the street at all...just water.. So I thought adding the H/E would surely pull some heat out that would otherwise be there...that set up would be similar to a K/B or even a vortec with a maxcooler ( they do use a H/E dont they?)
One of the things that I was not sure about working also was that the fittings on the ice boxes are rather large...1" mostly. The H/E are generally 3/4" so if it comes from the intercooler and head through the H/E before circulating back to the ice box ( watertank) and pump, would the reduction in pipe size and subsequent rise in pressure be ok or have any negative effect on the pump or anything...

That I couldn't tell you. Have you looked into the KillerChiller set up that runs off of your A/C? I've never seen one, just read about them, but it seems like it would work pretty good, in theory.

 

[Rygen]

It can work, I run the same setup, IC built into upper intake with larger water reservoir (relocated battery to trunk), and a AFCO GT500 heat exchanger.

 

[GI Joe]

It can work, I run the same setup, IC built into upper intake with larger water reservoir (relocated battery to trunk), and a AFCO GT500 heat exchanger.

ok so.....your air to water intercooler gets no ambient air cooling really just the water and the heat exchanger
iis it a turbo????That would be a cool pic...(pardon the pun)

 

[Docktour Z]

Dude, what are you talking about?


GI Joe, I'm not sure that you are going to gain much out of that. I like your thinking though, but here are my thoughts. Now I am just conjecturing here, but it would be interesting to run the numbers. I guess what you would have to do is find out how warm the water is coming out of the intercooler. They only way you would make any gains might be if that temp is quite a bit warmer than the ambient air temp so the heat exchanger would actually be doing something. Another though that pops into my head is that if you are running ice water at the track, is that water going to get hot enough to have the heat exchanger work in the right direction. Like I said I have no idea how the much the water temp will go up after the intercooler. I mean if your water temp is 70* after the intercooler and the ambient air temp is 80*, won't you be in fact cooling the outside air, rather than the air cooling the water in the heat exchanger? I don't know if this makes any sense because I've never heard many talk about monitoring intercooler water temps.

An Air to Water intercooler setup designed for a centrifugal blower will work for his set up, even a setup like the stock GT500 will work. It doesn't matter how boost is being delivered to the engine. I don't see how his idea or inquiry is any different from any other setup?

 

[rford426]

Subscribing I wanna see if this works out for you and see your results keep us posted

 

[GI Joe]

An Air to Water intercooler setup designed for a centrifugal blower will work for his set up, even a setup like the stock GT500 will work. It doesn't matter how boost is being delivered to the engine. I don't see how his idea or inquiry is any different from any other setup?

I dont either I just did not want to miss anything especially the pressure change that will occur...in the water lines I mean

 

[Docktour Z]

I dont either I just did not want to miss anything especially the pressure change that will occur...in the water lines I mean

Yeah you should be fine, I would run the same setup as the GT500 and just use a bigger HE. I wouldn't run straight water but I would run the same mix found in the Terminator/GT500. You should not have any issues at all.

 

[blacknlte]

Something like this might help, its just like the Vortech cooler but with with the elbow on it. Hellion makes it.

 

[don_w]

I wouldn't run straight water but I would run the same mix found in the Terminator/GT500.

First of all, any time you can avoid running antifreeze at the strip it's a good thing. And Joe said he races, and ices the car at the track. The best thing to have in there is plain water if you change it that often. And besides, water (with some Water Wetter in it) is the best coolant mix you can have.

If I have a few weeks or more between track trips, I'll add the Water Wetter. Otherwise it is just straight water.

 

[GI Joe]

First of all, any time you can avoid running antifreeze at the strip it's a good thing. And Joe said he races, and ices the car at the track. The best thing to have in there is plain water if you change it that often. And besides, water (with some Water Wetter in it) is the best coolant mix you can have.

If I have a few weeks or more between track trips, I'll add the Water Wetter. Otherwise it is just straight water.

yup... you are right on all of that...

 

[ulev1st]

I think it would work fine..the temp I think would be stable on the street....you aren't under boost the whole time anyway...If you can drop IAT 20 degrees or more while at the track it would help immensely.

 

[PNR Welding]

Hey Dave, what kind of IATs are you seeing? I like the idea of running a air to water with a icebox built in like Marks. Also the Hellion one looks good and I have been looking into that also. Should make a great difference.

 

[GI Joe]

Hey Dave, what kind of IATs are you seeing? I like the idea of running a air to water with a icebox built in like Marks. Also the Hellion one looks good and I have been looking into that also. Should make a great difference.

starts at 100-109 and finishes at 195 degrees with 23 psi...that sucks...and I do not know if I should adjust the tune to stop yanking the timing or try to correct the issue. Some say just let it ride...its only on the last half of the 1/4 mile that it does it....but it yanks 10 degrees of timing. I talked to my tuner about yanking less....but some of my racing buddies are like just leave all the timing in it for the race tune on c116. I dont know whats right.....
no problem on the street or on street tune..

 

[GI Joe]

jpc says they drop the iat over 100 degrees..he runs like 70 degrees in 95 weather but now I'm leaning toward bigger air to air because of the issues associated with air to water for street use and other baggage that goes with it for track use. The jpc one mounts up on front bumper..pretty cool and toooo damned expensive

 

[lito]

One of the things to consider is that any kind of IC in the path of the flow will hurt it.

Your final MAP will drop because of that and you may have to turn the boost knob a little because of this and that increase in boost will get you hotter air to deal with and may end in the exact same place as before.

Haven't you though on meth, water/meth or even CO2?

 

[JeremyH]

I think lito is on the right track. An air to air plus an air to water sounds good, but as stated might not help at all. I like the bigger intercooler and meth inj. idea.