LSx into a S197

[Docktour Z]

lets see how long the new trolls last.

nice cars. enjoy them.

Can you just resist coming into this thread? No one here is a troll, you're just being a about this. This is an awesome idea, especially if stock/OEM parts can be swapped to make this work. I could see plenty of people not wanting a built 3v with ported heads, cams, full exhaust, etc only making high 300's and maybe crack low 400's. This would allow you to make 450+rwhp with just simple bolt-ons. This motor is stronger than most forged 3v short-blocks.

 

[Lupo222]

Can you just resist coming into this thread? No one here is a troll, you're just being a about this. This is an awesome idea, especially if stock/OEM parts can be swapped to make this work. I could see plenty of people not wanting a built 3v with ported heads, cams, full exhaust, etc only making high 300's and maybe crack low 400's. This would allow you to make 450+rwhp with just simple bolt-ons. This motor is stronger than most forged 3v short-blocks.

You got the HP aspect right but an ls3 is not stronger than even an entry level forged 3v

 

[stkjock]

You got the HP aspect right but an ls3 is not stronger than even an entry level forged 3v

Maybe so, but the larger displacement allows the to make more power at lower boost levels. A few guys I hang with have blower LS2 and LS3 Vettes, making from. 600-800 to the tire, 8-12 psi, stock short block.

 

[Docktour Z]

You got the HP aspect right but an ls3 is not stronger than even an entry level forged 3v

I would say the LS3 is on par if not a little stronger than an entry level 3v. That's a big statement on it's own. Not trying to get the motors into a pissing match, just stating facts.

 

[assasinator]

im not defending modulars. 3v's especially. i absolutely love the LS2. my favorite cars are Cadillacs. go to where the experts are with this. there is plenty of info on everything you need at a chevy site.

i never said it was a bad idea. i said there is no advantage in a LS over a coyote. LS motors are not the hand of god. Also, by coyote standards, they are VERY weak internally. enjoy your swap.

i spend a lot of time on those sites. nice fellows.

 

[Docktour Z]

im not defending modulars. 3v's especially. i absolutely love the LS2. my favorite cars are Cadillacs. go to where the experts are with this. there is plenty of info on everything you need at a chevy site.

i never said it was a bad idea. i said there is no advantage in a LS over a coyote. LS motors are not the hand of god. Also, by coyote standards, they are VERY weak internally. enjoy your swap.

i spend a lot of time on those sites. nice fellows.

How is it "very weak" compared to the coyote? They put down around the same power and are very comparable motors except for hp per cubic inch. I could see you calling it "relatively inferior" to the roadrunner motor.

 

[assasinator]

I would say the LS3 is on par if not a little stronger than an entry level 3v. That's a big statement on it's own. Not trying to get the motors into a pissing match, just stating facts.

he said FORGED. even fully modded 3v's cant compete with bolton LS motors. 360-370rwhp is not close enough to compete. i assume he is alluding to forced induction 3v's. boost can cure most things.



i said INTERNALLY.

 

[proxemics]

I can see the LS motors as a good option where I live they are plenty and can be had dirt cheap.
Ch4r1ie knows what I'm talking about
And swapping these motors into anything these days is no rocket science

 

[Randy_S_14]

lets see how long the new trolls last.

nice cars. enjoy them.

 

[proxemics]

^^^After cams, intake, CAI, headers, only 323RWHP I don’t know about you I’m sure I’ll hate that

 

[probercr93]

ok, so I have a friend with a 2000 trans am with stock ls1 short block AFR 205 heads, agressive cam, fast intake and TB. Car dyno'd 43x whp and 39x tq. x's are because I don't remember the exact number just know that it's 430 somethin and 390 somethin. Anyway he has a stalled auto and 3.55 gears. He can't get the car to break into the 11's. I'd say he needs a driver mod, but it's an auto.

Now a Heads cam intake 3v would make right around 4xx whp and run mid/low 11's with a good driver.

I'm just using this as an example of how an ls motor isn't always superior to a 3v. LS1 HCI, 3v HCI and both making similar numbers with 65 less cubic inches. I find this to be damn impressive! Granted an LS2 or LS3 are different animals, but then we just throw in a 5.4 and build it. Why not keep it ford? A 5.4 would probably be a cheaper build than a LS2 or LS3 conversion and can make ass loads of power. Just my 2cents

 

[Docktour Z]

Show me a HCI 3v running into the 11's at full weight with a 120+ trap. I have not seen it.

 

[Randy_S_14]

^^^After cams, intake, CAI, headers, only 323RWHP I don’t know about you I’m sure I’ll hate that

haha, i meant the guys hatin on the LSx swaps

 

[Lupo222]

Show me a HCI 3v running into the 11's at full weight with a 120+ trap. I have not seen it.

Well, I was hanging out with an intake/tune/4.10s guy the other night that ran 12.8's on DRs. So I would imagine if he added another 100whp, he should be pretty close to 11's after HCI. He is a hell of a driver though...

 

[pcdrj]

Several years ago Griggs Racing was working on offering S197's with LS6 motors but the project died on the vine. LS coversions are very common in road race cars do to their light weight, low cost, and reliable power output. Certainly the initial swap will be costly but if you're going through motors it can pay for itself. However, in 2012 American Iron rules are changing to require the use of parent company motors so no more LSx fox bodies.

 

[psfracer]

Is anyone familiar with Project Heretic? When I was looking for a car to buy it was for sale at the time (early 2009), and it was far from finished. I don't think it ever was completed, but anyway.

 

[bolivianpimp]

Putting an LS motor in a ford is like coming out of the closet. At first everyone is shocked and surprised, but in the end you are still gay.

For the price of the build you could have easily added a blower to your car. I would just buy a vette if i wanted a LS motor, it would prevent you and your children from being bullied.

 

[SilentScope]

priceless

 

[tamatt27]

Putting an LS motor in a ford is like coming out of the closet. At first everyone is shocked and surprised, but in the end you are still gay.

For the price of the build you could have easily added a blower to your car. I would just buy a vette if i wanted a LS motor, it would prevent you and your children from being bullied.

After I'm done with my swap, I will tally up the cost of my swap and I'm positive it will be less than the cost of a blower. At present time, I'm hovering around $2500(This includes selling my 4.6L 3V/5-speed combo)...and I've got all I need, save for a few small things (oil, belt, coolant, CAI, etc.)

 

[pcdrj]

Is anyone familiar with Project Heretic? When I was looking for a car to buy it was for sale at the time (early 2009), and it was far from finished. I don't think it ever was completed, but anyway.

Yeah, I followed that build until it went off the radar. Stranger things have been done. This is an old one.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/15/video-mustang-gets-aston-martin-vanquish-v12/