Nessary to replace suspension hardware?

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So according to Ford the bolts for mounting most suspension parts are one time use only. Is this because they are stretch bolts and really need to be replaced or because the assume that when suspension parts are replaced they have been on the car for a long time and it makes sense to replace them.

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If the torque spec contains a lb-ft value, plus an additional "X" degrees rotation, then it is a Torque To Yield bolt and should not be replaced. That said, if you're an inveterate tinkerer, like most of us here, and you have the stuff apart frequently, then I would just add a dab of blue Locktite and not worry about it. IF, of the other hand, you're a "one and done" guy, then just pony up and buy the new bolts. When the stuff is apart all the time, it has the effect of forcing us to re-torque the bolts, so no worries about stretch and looseness.

Also, that is a curious looking mustang in your sig pic... ;-)
 

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If the torque spec contains a lb-ft value, plus an additional "X" degrees rotation, then it is a Torque To Yield bolt and should not be replaced. That said, if you're an inveterate tinkerer, like most of us here, and you have the stuff apart frequently, then I would just add a dab of blue Locktite and not worry about it. IF, of the other hand, you're a "one and done" guy, then just pony up and buy the new bolts. When the stuff is apart all the time, it has the effect of forcing us to re-torque the bolts, so no worries about stretch and looseness.

Also, that is a curious looking mustang in your sig pic... ;-)

Thanks guys for the input. That is what I was going to do but wanted some reassurance.

Yeah the Bimmer is the old car and I don't have any good pics of the new Mustang yet. I need to do that once the weather gets better.
 

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So according to Ford the bolts for mounting most suspension parts are one time use only. Is this because they are stretch bolts and really need to be replaced or because the assume that when suspension parts are replaced they have been on the car for a long time and it makes sense to replace them.

Thanks in advance.
I do not believe that they are "stretch" or torque-to-yield fasteners.

Just that there may be some self-locking feature that loses its effectiveness, hence the very common recommendations to use threadlocker if you do re-use them.

I still would not re-use them (retorque them, actually) more than a couple of times.

And it you still have the early coarse-thread fasteners, just go straight to the newer fine-thread fasteners which have a higher torque spec (better).



TTY fasteners may or may not be re-useable, and you'd need to find out if this is the case. If they are not specifically re-useable, it's because they have already been permanently stretched and should not be used again.

Your suspension is a risky place to "cheap out" in.


Norm
 

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If the torque spec contains a lb-ft value, plus an additional "X" degrees rotation, then it is a Torque To Yield bolt and should not be replaced.

OOPS!!! That should read "..and SHOULD be replaced." I got twisted up proofing my post changing from "should not be re-used." Sorry. Your best bet is the factory service manual, but I don't recall seeing a single instance of a TTY spec in the suspension calling for hardware re-use. They ALWAYS list "remove and discard" as part of the instruction.
 

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The strut spindle nuts are out of round until you torque them down. So at the very least, I'd replace those when doing suspension changes.
 

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They are cheap enough that if you're gonna be opening the suspension up that often, just buy them by the dozen and keep spares in the toolbox.
 

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Great advice here, as usual. Just wanted to pitch in my two cents, as we do a lot of suspension swaps every week on various cars.

We normally do not replace the front suspension hardware during a removal cycle unless they are a torque to yield (per SoundGuyDave's description). Most factory suspension bolts are not TTY.

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But... we always look closely at the suspension hardware each time it is removed, as this is pretty critical stuff to have come off on the street or track. If we see anything we don't like (rust, mauled threads, obvious stretch) or if feel anything weird during removal or installation (like if the bolts took an unusual amount of torque or we felt stretch during removal) we junk the hardware and replace with new parts from the dealer. Last week we had a Subaru we installed coilovers on, replacing some other non-stock suspension bits. There was one bolt that took an unusual amount of torque to remove, and it had some serious stretch, so it got junked. That's the number 1 cause of bolt damage - improper (over)torque by a previous mechanic.

Still, we have replaced much of the suspension hardware on our 2011 so far and all of the brake bolt and nut hardware. Why? Because it comes on and off so much. With 3 separate shock combinations tested on our 2011 "test mule", and multiple spring iterations on each of those, the suspension bolts get a lot of cycling. Same with the brake hardware, which is swapped on/off after almost every race (to go from the street pads and rotors to the track versions). So if you are touching a given bolt more than about a half dozen times I would think about replacing them just for good measure. It is cheap insurance and the alternative isn't something you want to happen.

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Now remember, the S197 front hubs use a TTY nut to secure them. That nut has to be replaced when swapping in new hubs. Luckily the M-1104-A hub replacement kit (with ARP studs) comes with new nuts. If you are using regular Ford hubs you have to buy the nuts separately. We're on our 3rd set of hubs in 18,000 miles of use, but with 315mm R compounds and additional aero loading we are probably over-loading these hubs more than most.
 

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FYI, Nylock nuts should be replaced after they've been removed a few times. Which reminds me, my strut tower nuts need to be replaced.
 

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Thanks Terry for the input. Can't wait to get your plates on the car!
 

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