Not as many 'Fast' as i thought...

[ChevyKiller]

Not that this means anything, but I personally found it interesting when I started researching just who had a sub 10 sec S197... (3V - stock computer)

I was actually pretty amazed that I could only find 3 shops who has a customer in the sub 10 zone. When I say customer, I'm talking about an actual customer and his/her car. Not a car who is in someone's name but primarily owned by the shop for all pratical purposes... cough...JDM...cough...

Now I know Forensic Steve and Ken3030 are 'close' but that don't count. Eric's car is not a 3V (sorry bro) so all I could find to date was the following...

Powerhouse Turbo - 2 customers running sub 10
Modular Depot - 1 customer running sub 10
Racers Edge Tuning - 1 customer running sub 10
Lethal Performance - 1 customer (I think David Beyer but might not be Lethal)

THAT'S IT! If there are others - please post but that was all I could find on this platform. Every single other instance was a shop owned or sponsored car. It really puts into perspective just how difficult it is to do this and it certainly isn't as easy as quite a few shops 'claim' it is if they can't duplicate the results with any customers.

Just an interesting observation IMO...

 

[Ken3030]

Hell yeah it's hard!! And I would be interested to see how many of those cars can run long distances on the street (a true street car) ?

 

[Freaknazty]

well mark steve will do it here very very soon its getting tuned up now , and for him to run what he did ( 10.0 on fouled plugs ) then change what he did it's impossible for him not to run sub 10's lmao this rebuild should be pretty damn interesting to say the least and i think he can surprise quite a few after track tuning and finally tweaking that suspension to get it dead on



PS : POWERHOUSE FTMFW lol

 

[Redfire]

I am one of the sub ten second PowerHouse cars. I do drive it quite a bit on the street and my two closest tracks are about 50 miles from me. I do have a trailer and do trailer it from time to time depending on if my wife goes and on the weather for the day. Drag radials and the rain don't mix very well. My entire goal has been to keep the car streetable which is one reason I run on stock wheels with the rears widened two inches. I am sure lighter wheels and tires will get me better ET's but I like how my car is setup. Plus to run legal under 10.00 is more expensive, more rules and is harder on the car. Currently when the tech guy looks at my car he has no idea what I run as it looks stock with the exception of the roll bar.

When I do go to the track all I do is let some air out of the tires, clip the mudflaps on to help keep rubber off the body, strap in and go. The main reason I switched to E85 was no more switching fuel for the track. My street boost level of about 18lbs runs 10.50 at the track, which is what I like to run in brackets. If I am shooting for a number all I do differently is a few turns of the boost controller and hold on.

As Ken said it is hard but after all of the hard work it is all worth it.

 

[fin1]

I'm the other sub-10 PowerHouse customer and I too drive my car on the street. The only "steetable" difference between Will's and my car is that I have the bogarts & C16. I do trailer it to the track since it's over 2 hours away but it's state inspected & insured. Last year I ran it in both NMRA & FFW true street events, which require a 30 mile cruise.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Yep - koodos to you powerhouse guys!!
I believe that redfire, fin, and I are the only 3V's in the sub 10 zone who are truly 'streetable'...

And yes, Steve is going to join the club VERY SOON, I am quite sure.

Mike and Powerhouse deserve a lot of credit IMO to be the only shop in the country to have multiple customers achieving this...

I was just surprised there wasn't more with all the rebuilds and power talk floating around the internet. It just makes me scrutinize more clesly what 'shops' claim IMO...

 

[PLstang]

Darn it!!!!

Always being excluded for having an extra valve!!! It's valve prejudice I say!!!! LOL

I think any street car running 9's is impressive! Unless you've done it you don't realize what it takes to get there.

 

[firestang70]

I don't know many gearheads that have the coin to take a s197 that fast. So chevykiller are you setting up a get out clause of running Justin or Vinnys car? They both make no excuses that their cars are not "street" cars. I give you kudos for having the resources to put on the extensive builds you have. I really hope you make the east coast shoot out. I would love to see that car make some nice passes.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Hell no - no excuses at all. When I do line up with Justin and Vinny - stock computer 3V on a 4.6 platform are the ONLY rules/clauses...

I WILL be involved in an east vs. west shootout - just haven't decided when and where yet.
I don't think it takes as much coin as one may think. In my case, and numerous different builds, yes, coin was involved rather selling off parts or not - it cost - no doubt. But knowing everything I know now, I could have built a 9 sec street car the first time for a not outrageous amount. I think a lot of these 'shops' had me screwing myself six ways to sundays on a lot of things I had to learn the hard way. That is really where I'm coming from with the post. The simple truth is a few of the people I tried to 'follow' turned out to not have or do what the majority of the public 'thought' they did...

I didn't bring up the 'streetable' part and was just commenting on it. My main point was that there are several shops with fast cars and many of them (not all) throw out garbage about stock this and stock that - and just this bolt in kit, etc, etc.

I guess the main point I was reflecting on is that a lot of them are FOS IMO.

I also notice all the internet chatter when they run a number but hardly ever a post on what broke and the 'illusion' of stock Ford shit holding up which it just doesn't plain and simple..

 

[Ken3030]

I am one of the sub ten second PowerHouse cars. I do drive it quite a bit on the street and my two closest tracks are about 50 miles from me. I do have a trailer and do trailer it from time to time depending on if my wife goes and on the weather for the day. Drag radials and the rain don't mix very well. My entire goal has been to keep the car streetable which is one reason I run on stock wheels with the rears widened two inches. I am sure lighter wheels and tires will get me better ET's but I like how my car is setup. Plus to run legal under 10.00 is more expensive, more rules and is harder on the car. Currently when the tech guy looks at my car he has no idea what I run as it looks stock with the exception of the roll bar.

When I do go to the track all I do is let some air out of the tires, clip the mudflaps on to help keep rubber off the body, strap in and go. The main reason I switched to E85 was no more switching fuel for the track. My street boost level of about 18lbs runs 10.50 at the track, which is what I like to run in brackets. If I am shooting for a number all I do differently is a few turns of the boost controller and hold on.

As Ken said it is hard but after all of the hard work it is all worth it.

I'm the other sub-10 PowerHouse customer and I too drive my car on the street. The only "steetable" difference between Will's and my car is that I have the bogarts & C16. I do trailer it to the track since it's over 2 hours away but it's state inspected & insured. Last year I ran it in both NMRA & FFW true street events, which require a 30 mile cruise.

Congrats to both of you and I think we can all agree if it was so easy there would be many more people doing it. I really don't call a 30 mile "cruise" a streetable car.

When I take my car out for the day I want to be able to put 150 miles on it minimum. I live 50 miles from work and when I get there I don't just park the car, got to go to lunch and other stuff so ends up being 150 miles sometimes 200 if i visit clients. That's a street car and when your done with that pick up your kids from school which in my case is a 40 mile roiund trip in itself. I am in no way saying your two or other cars running sub 10.00 is not VERY IMPRESSIVE, but like Redfire said it is more important that it is still streetable otherwise I would just race a chassis car. My hats off to you guys .

 

[PNR Welding]

Hey Mark, does spray count? Im shooting for a 9sec slip in the next week, but adding a 75 hit, cause the Saleen isnt going to do it alone. I have the kit, just waiting for the snow to clear up so I can take it and install it and put it on the dyno.

 

[Ken3030]

I think Mark will tell ya it doesn't matter what you do to it as long as it is a S197 with stock computer and a 4.6 platform. So bring on the 200 shot if ya want.

 

[fin1]

I really don't call a 30 mile "cruise" a streetable car.
When I take my car out for the day I want to be able to put 150 miles on it minimum.

I hear what you are saying. I'm not implying mine is a daily driver in any way but it could easily drive 150 miles w/o issues. However, since I run C16 @ $12/gal, that's a bit unpractical. The debate of what it means to be a "street" car is as old as dirt and there will always be different definitions. I never touted mine as a 9-second street car, but rather a race car that I can legally drive on the street. That's good enough for me.

 

[ChevyKiller]

Hell that's good enough for anyone...

And Ken is right - I don't give a shit how many power adders are on a car. All that counts is what the time slip says and I have always believed that.

In fact, other than competing shops, I don't think I've ever heard anyone actually complain about what is making the power on a 3V...

The 'dual power adder' complaints started coming after JPC walked away from everyone if I remember...

To me, making more than one power adder work is HARDER and more of a testament to a well set-up car...

With all the things going on now, I have a feeling we will be seeing quite a few more join the single digit club...

 

[ChevyKiller]

Darn it!!!!

Always being excluded for having an extra valve!!! It's valve prejudice I say!!!! LOL

I think any street car running 9's is impressive! Unless you've done it you don't realize what it takes to get there.

Well, you may be out of the party Eric, but take comfort in the fact you have a bad ass ride and you are on the verge of holding a record or two yourself.

I'm pretty sure there has never been a TS in the 8 second zone on either the 3V or 4V platform...

In fact, I do believe you have the worlds fastest TS 4V right now...