Palanza's 06 GT Teksid Build lets goo

[Department Of Boost]

the key here is proper hammer size selection

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, it's cute!

 

[palanza7]

Okay, some discoveries today. So I found a lot of oil in my intake. Only coming from the drivers side pcv. Like a lot. Notice in pictures.

So I was like.. wtf, shouldn't this be coming out of my passenger side? where the damn catch can is?? So I go pull off the can and I notice 1: that its empty. clean. 0.

THEN I notice this

The filters on the wrong side LOL oh god. I'm almost 99% sure the filter should be on the out side of the air in the can, not on the in side from the valve cover. Sooo I wonder if this could be why oil is pushing out of the drivers side? Also possible why lito is having some weird vac issues?

Also in regards to vac, I did the propane gas test. I let a small amount of propane out infront of the air filter, the engine bogged down. So it def works - I let it spray out all around the engine and near every vac connection and I had 0 RPM change, so I can pretty confidently say there are no vac leaks.

I also did the test for the knock sensors by tapping on the block while datalogging - forwarding to lito in hopes that it picks up the sound.

Do you think that oil coming out of the drivers side can be a result of the backwards filter? I mean that filter still passes air, it just would have been trapping oil on the other side. When I screwed it off, there was 0 oil on it on the inside.

Also whats up with it being so creamy? Is it just whipped up with air? Time to drain the oil and check it out? I haven't been losing coolant.. and when I pulled the dip stick yesterday the oil on it still looked brand new.

 

[swflastang05]

Are you running e85? If so it will make your oil in the catch cans a little milky sometimes, also under the filler cap.

 

[palanza7]

Are you running e85? If so it will make your oil in the catch cans a little milky sometimes, also under the filler cap.

negative, 93 oct. def going to investigate the oil make sure we dont have any coolant leakage

 

[Department Of Boost]

The air is sucked out of the drivers side and into the passenger side. You want to put the catch can on the drivers side hose.

 

[palanza7]

The air is sucked out of the drivers side and into the passenger side. You want to put the catch can on the drivers side hose.

SoB, i could have sworn I read to put it in the passenger side!! dangit

 

[Department Of Boost]

SoB, i could have sworn I read to put it in the passenger side!! dangit

 

[skwerl]

I ended up having to use two catch cans in tandem in order to catch most of the oil. you can see them here down below the throttle body.

 

[palanza7]

well, bad news. no knocking showed up in the logs and i was def tapping pretty good on the engine.

also as an added bonus, after some significant time searching the internets, i believe MMR sent me 18cc dished pistons instead of 11cc pistons, giving me 8.8 instead of the 9.8 i asked for. unfuckingreal

Here is my sherlock holmes investigation laid out. I called MMR - they said they have two dished pistons for my 3v. 11 and 18cc. They also told me they have "no idea lol sorry" which would have been sent to me, you'd have to look at the piston itself. COOL

So Lito sent me a picture of a -18. I then found a picture of a dished 3v piston on the internet that looks different. Look at where the inner diameter meets the printed writing on the pistons. What would you think?
I mean a lower cr of 8.8 isn't the end of the world but hot damn, talk about wtf MMR


Litos -18's

Pic from the internet

Mine during install

 

[Department Of Boost]

Sucks about the knock sensors. I wonder what's going on there.

It looks to me like you have a 18cc dish. That really isn't the end of the world if you're staying on pump gas. If you had let's say 9.8:1 compression you would probably run out of octane spinning the blower as fast as you are.

You're still probably going to make 650+ and that is a lot of power for a 3v with a 2.3L on pump gas. That's right at the high end of the range. Actually I don't think I have seen 1-2 other cars putting down more than that. And the ones that did were just a little more.....or an R-Spec which is a completely different ballgame.

 

[BruceH]

well, bad news. no knocking showed up in the logs and i was def tapping pretty good on the engine.

also as an added bonus, after some significant time searching the internets, i believe MMR sent me 18cc dished pistons instead of 11cc pistons, giving me 8.8 instead of the 9.8 i asked for. unfuckingreal

Here is my sherlock holmes investigation laid out. I called MMR - they said they have two dished pistons for my 3v. 11 and 18cc. They also told me they have "no idea lol sorry" which would have been sent to me, you'd have to look at the piston itself. COOL

So Lito sent me a picture of a -18. I then found a picture of a dished 3v piston on the internet that looks different. Look at where the inner diameter meets the printed writing on the pistons. What would you think?
I mean a lower cr of 8.8 isn't the end of the world but hot damn, talk about wtf MMR


Litos -18's

Pic from the internet

Mine during install

Like the others said 8.8 isn't the end of the world. It's more than a stock Terminator or GT500 has. However, if you somehow got the wrong compression height it would be a significant hit.

Stock stroke compression height is 1.220" with stock 5.933" rods. Stroker pistons with a 1.200", 1.150", 1.100", or 1.050" compression height would kill your compression.

It happened to a friend of mine. He had a shop put the motor together and they got stroker pistons instead of stock stroke pistons from dss. He was down on power by a whole lot. It was bad enough that he tore the motor down and discovered his pistons were sitting in the hole an extra .170" or so. Once the pistons were changed out power came back to where it should of been.

Have you looked at any images of their stroker pistons during your comparisons?

 

[palanza7]

Sucks about the knock sensors. I wonder what's going on there.

It looks to me like you have a 18cc dish. That really isn't the end of the world if you're staying on pump gas. If you had let's say 9.8:1 compression you would probably run out of octane spinning the blower as fast as you are.

You're still probably going to make 650+ and that is a lot of power for a 3v with a 2.3L on pump gas. That's right at the high end of the range. Actually I don't think I have seen 1-2 other cars putting down more than that. And the ones that did were just a little more.....or an R-Spec which is a completely different ballgame.

Well my end game plan for the engine was always to eventually run e85 so it's kind of lame but yeah, ugh!

Like the others said 8.8 isn't the end of the world. It's more than a stock Terminator or GT500 has. However, if you somehow got the wrong compression height it would be a significant hit.

Stock stroke compression height is 1.220" with stock 5.933" rods. Stroker pistons with a 1.200", 1.150", 1.100", or 1.050" compression height would kill your compression.

It happened to a friend of mine. He had a shop put the motor together and they got stroker pistons instead of stock stroke pistons from dss. He was down on power by a whole lot. It was bad enough that he tore the motor down and discovered his pistons were sitting in the hole an extra .170" or so. Once the pistons were changed out power came back to where it should of been.

Have you looked at any images of their stroker pistons during your comparisons?

Well I haven't even thought of that. The kit does have a stroke to 4.75 but I'm pretty sure it comes from the crank as it's a 11-12 gt crank

 

[BruceH]

Well my end game plan for the engine was always to eventually run e85 so it's kind of lame but yeah, ugh!




Well I haven't even thought of that. The kit does have a stroke to 4.75 but I'm pretty sure it comes from the crank as it's a 11-12 gt crank

So they should have a coyote compression height if it's a coyote crank with 5.933" rods.

By any chance do you have the specs that came with the kit and if so what do they list the piston compression height at? Just wondering how they set it up. It would be possible to use 4.6 stroker pistons with it but they would still be sitting in the hole more than ideal.

 

[palanza7]

So they should have a coyote compression height if it's a coyote crank with 5.933" rods.

By any chance do you have the specs that came with the kit and if so what do they list the piston compression height at? Just wondering how they set it up. It would be possible to use 4.6 stroker pistons with it but they would still be sitting in the hole more than ideal.

I've been trying to get mmr to send me a new copy of my invoice for a week now since I can't find mine at the moment. That said I don't think it ever said on it anyway. I'll have to ask them when I call again Monday. Who knows what I'm going to be told though. Really should have had everything measured and logged at the machine shop. What a pita. I'm tempted to just tear the damn thing down and take a head off.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Dude, this completely sucks. FUCK MMR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[palanza7]

Dude, this completely sucks. FUCK MMR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right. Holy shit. Oh well, it's on me really, I should have measured everything before install. It's a learning process! Should have just bought Bruce's car and called it a day haha.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Right. Holy shit. Oh well, it's on me really, I should have measured everything before install. It's a learning process! Should have just bought Bruce's car and called it a day haha.

Fuck it, get it on the dyno and see what it makes. If/when you switch up to e85 you can worry about it then.

Or you could put an R-Spec on there with a 3.4L Whipple. It doesn't matter what your compression is then!!!

 

[BruceH]

Right. Holy shit. Oh well, it's on me really, I should have measured everything before install. It's a learning process! Should have just bought Bruce's car and called it a day haha.

I just skimmed through the whole thread. If I understand everything correctly it's making a whole lot of power and plenty of boost, right? As long as it runs well and makes more power than you want everything is ok.

Try to disregard some of what I said. Even if the wrong ch pistons were used all it's really going to do is lower the compression ratio. As an example the 5.4 pistons sit over .100" in the hole and the motors run just fine when boosted. It affects power output na a whole lot more than it does with forced induction.

The odds are that everything is as it should be with the motor considering the highway speed burnouts.

 

[palanza7]

Fuck it, get it on the dyno and see what it makes. If/when you switch up to e85 you can worry about it then.

Or you could put an R-Spec on there with a 3.4L Whipple. It doesn't matter what your compression is then!!!

Yeah true that. I'm not going to get down about it. Thing is still going to scream. Let's not forget that nitrous shot in there for the 1/4 mile lmao

I just skimmed through the whole thread. If I understand everything correctly it's making a whole lot of power and plenty of boost, right? As long as it runs well and makes more power than you want everything is ok.

Try to disregard some of what I said. Even if the wrong ch pistons were used all it's really going to do is lower the compression ratio. As an example the 5.4 pistons sit over .100" in the hole and the motors run just fine when boosted. It affects power output na a whole lot more than it does with forced induction.

The odds are that everything is as it should be with the motor considering the highway speed burnouts.

Yeah, I agree with that sentiment. It just bothers me that I don't know exactly what is going on in my engine.

 

[Department Of Boost]

I just skimmed through the whole thread. If I understand everything correctly it's making a whole lot of power and plenty of boost, right? As long as it runs well and makes more power than you want everything is ok.

Try to disregard some of what I said. Even if the wrong ch pistons were used all it's really going to do is lower the compression ratio. As an example the 5.4 pistons sit over .100" in the hole and the motors run just fine when boosted. It affects power output na a whole lot more than it does with forced induction.

The odds are that everything is as it should be with the motor considering the highway speed burnouts.

He's got 20psi. It can't be THAT wrong.