Wow, untuned auto Coyotes are pretty sad!

[skaarlaj]

I love my "new to me" 2011 Kona blue premium GT automatic with only 32,000 miles that I traded in last week from my white base 2012 manual car, but I must say, the car is lazy off the line. It feels like maybe half throttle when floored until about 15mph, and then feels pretty much identical to my manual car for the rest of the time. I hate to admit it, but I now own a car that will barely squeak the tires from a dig, hahaha. And I'm also not too worried if I don't get a chance to swap on my drag radials before I head to the track with it next weekend. To say ford left out some performance tuning from the factory is the understatement of the decade on these autos, or at least "this auto". But once she gets rolling a little bit, it feels identical to the power of my manual, and traps nearly the same.

I know a tune and stall converter will even out the playing fields, and any future mods from after those two critical mods will probably net me better results, but according to my G-tech pro, I have over a second to make up in the 1/4, and about .7 to make up in the eighth compared to my manual car. Just a word to the wise, if you can drive a standard well, and don't care to modify your car much, and want to go quickly in a straight line, get a manual, but if you're like me and like to modify your vehicles, I'm sure the auto will work great, I'm suspecting spectacularly when in conjunction with a power adder of some kind.

 

[Unreal]

Stall and tune won't level the playing field, it will give the auto a huge advantage.

 

[Five Oh Brian]

Stall and tune won't level the playing field, it will give the auto a huge advantage.

^^^ This!

 

[Sky Render]

Honestly just a tune works wonders. Don't even need the stall.

 

[skaarlaj]

I trust you guys, I just can't believe the difference between a stock auto, vs a manual with axle-back, gears, and drag radials.

 

[tjm73]

Factory automatics have always been soft out of the gate. Foxbody autos blew donkey balls. But once they were setup they were/are awesome.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

LOL @ barely squeak the tires. Car must be running on 4 cylinders.

 

[skaarlaj]

LOL @ barely squeak the tires. Car must be running on 4 cylinders.

It's true man, unfortunately. I remember when I had my manual 2012, I beat up on a red 2013 automatic that had a Bama tune and exhaust at least 3 times at the eighth mile track I go to, I told him he needed drag radials, and he said, "how would that matter if I cannot spin these stock tires" I really didn't believe him until now. I also remember beating him after missing a shift too, just by a smaller margin is all.

 

[NickD87]

What are the gears in the new car vs the old.
I test drove a 2011 or 12 manual convertible and I thought it was closer them my modified 3v turns out coming from 4.10s to 3.31 gears makes a big difference. My friends performance pack car with 3.73s felt better

 

[Grabber Blue 5.0]

Just a tune will make a huge difference for you. That alone will have you spinning the tires with ease on the street.

 

[jam07GT]

To say ford left out some performance tuning from the factory is the understatement of the decade on these autos, or at least "this auto". But once she gets rolling a little bit, it feels identical to the power of my manual, and traps nearly the same.

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My 2007 auto was a complete dog at the track, and you could eat a sandwich between shifts. Pitiful. Ran 9.90 in the 1/8. With mods in sig, 8.50. I plan to bump up the stall to 4400. Should pick up a few tenths there, as 60' is still weak.

The first thing I did was get a tune and CAI, and then the car would spin the tires in 2nd and 3rd, but before the tune, no spin, no way, no how.

 

[skaarlaj]

What are the gears in the new car vs the old.
I test drove a 2011 or 12 manual convertible and I thought it was closer them my modified 3v turns out coming from 4.10s to 3.31 gears makes a big difference. My friends performance pack car with 3.73s felt better

The old manual car started with 3.31's and went with 3.90's later. The new auto has 3.15's I'm sure, but with the ultra deep 1st gear transmission ratio in the 6r80, deeper gears probably wouldn't improve too much.

For example, 1st gear top speed at 7,000 rpm's with my 6r80 transmission is 44mph with the stock 3.15 gears, and to arrive at a similar top speed in 1st gear with an MT82's first gear ratio would necessitate 3.73's and put the speed at 43.xxx at the same 7000 engine rpms, just to show you the gears really don't hinder these autos too badly.

Older Mustang transmissions generally had numerically lower first gear ratios than the latest models. My 04 Cobra had a 2.66 1st gear ratio, and an example for that is if I had 4.56 rear gears in that car and on 28" tall tires like the other two examples I gave, at 7,000 engine rpms I'd still be 48mph or roughly 4mph faster in 1st gear regardless of the pretty damn low 4.56 rear gear. And although my old 04 Cobra was a torque machine, looking back I should've went with at least 4.30 rear gears on that one instead of the 4.10's when I built the solid axle to swap into that one.

 

[5tangiac.0]

I could spin the oem Pirelli tires bone stock with my 13 auto. The tune makes the auto night and day difference. Did you have the advanced trac on?


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[Department Of Boost]

I really can't tell if a tuned manual is faster than a stock one. The tuned one has more "gain" on the throttle so it feels fast. I don't think it's noticeably faster.

I've never driven an auto Yote. But if a tune does what it did to my F150 (same trans) yeah, feels faster and IS faster. My F150 Trans is like some sort of full race jobbie compared to stock. It will snatch rubber in third at 60mph with 31x12.50's. Is run a 1.7 60ft with it too.

If I had an auto Yote I would be all over a tune.

 

[cbass]

Had my 2015 with an auto for just over a month, and am actually happy with it without a tune. Ran a 12.8 with an intake and exhaust, compared to 12.9 stock in my manual 2013. Still waiting on my tuner and I to have mutual free time to get a street session done, but I'm really not sweating it because it is still fun to drive.

 

[skaarlaj]

I could spin the oem Pirelli tires bone stock with my 13 auto. The tune makes the auto night and day difference. Did you have the advanced trac on?


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I disabled the traction control a few times, and at least one time held it in long enough with the brake pedal pushed to disable the advancetrac, and it felt the same "1/3rd throttle ish"

 

[skaarlaj]

Had my 2015 with an auto for just over a month, and am actually happy with it without a tune. Ran a 12.8 with an intake and exhaust, compared to 12.9 stock in my manual 2013. Still waiting on my tuner and I to have mutual free time to get a street session done, but I'm really not sweating it because it is still fun to drive.

Wow, 12.8 completely stock is pretty good! I'm not 100% sure my 2012 manual car wasn't tuned, The only thing done to it "parts wise" was an MBRP axle-back exhaust, and it seemed to still retain a million ways to cut throttle when trying to make it take off quickly at the track, so I'm just assuming it was stock tune.

 

[Jason09GT]

My 2014 doesn't cut throttle in anyway. It's a mt82 car. You can launch with traction control on, and as long as the car is going straight, and not in full blown tire fryer launch mode, it'll spin in 1st, and 2nd...it starts pulling throttle in the higher gears when spin is detected. Advance Trac off, and it'll swap lanes in 1st, and 2nd gear, kick to the side in 3rd, and scratch 4th, no throttle cut, bog, nothing. Every car is different though...untuned 3.31 car on 245/45/19 goodyears, that'll outrun bolt on 3.73 '15s...trapped 90 in the 1/8th, so a 3.31 car stock can't be THAT bad.

 

[skaarlaj]

My 2014 doesn't cut throttle in anyway. It's a mt82 car. You can launch with traction control on, and as long as the car is going straight, and not in full blown tire fryer launch mode, it'll spin in 1st, and 2nd...it starts pulling throttle in the higher gears when spin is detected. Advance Trac off, and it'll swap lanes in 1st, and 2nd gear, kick to the side in 3rd, and scratch 4th, no throttle cut, bog, nothing. Every car is different though...untuned 3.31 car on 245/45/19 goodyears, that'll outrun bolt on 3.73 '15s...trapped 90 in the 1/8th, so a 3.31 car stock can't be THAT bad.

The car in my sig below ran really strong for what it was six speed manual, my new to me Kona blue2011 auto is the super soft running one.

I'm just hoping the factory tune is just set-up way soft / safe possibly for these older Coyotes because they just came out with them at the time, and possibly an aftermarket tune along with a converter changes it quite a bit.

 

[RazorbackMustang]

I don't think that us guys who like to modify should get an auto. Different strokes for different folks. My stick car ran 12.8 @ 111 bone ass stock. Tune and off road H and it went 12.23 @ 115. 11.97 @ 115 on slicks. I honestly couldn't imagine drag racing in an auto.

I have no experience with an auto either (never even driven one), but I had a friend with a 2012 auto that dropped .3 in the 1/4 from the FRPP tune alone.