Installing a paxton novi 2200.

[gizmo5]

He added in build cost for engine, not just install labor.

 

[Kaane]

Just had the car retuned at True Street Motorsports in McKinney.

Nice gains from 91 octane tune to 93.

 

[gizmo5]

NICE!

 

[Kenaizer]

93 was the only change?!

 

[DSargent09]

93 was the only change?!

And a more aggressive tune I assume.

 

[Kaane]

93 was the only change?!

93 octane and new tune.

 

[Kenaizer]

Shit. Those are some good gains. I was planning on staying tuned for 91 but now I'm not so sure...

 

[Paul.]

Damn. I wish Phoenix had 93 octane.

91 Octane combined with brutal surface-of-the-sun heat is tough business.

 

[Mystickeith50]

That's called getting raped. There is no way it takes 30 - 40 hours @ $100/hr to throw the top end on a fresh short block, install the new engine, and reinstall the supercharger. I've personally seen a built 4V and Procharger be installed in less than 4 hours, think it was 3 hours in all reality. Around here this job is in the $1500 - $2K range. $5K - $6500 is right on for a stout bottom end though. Depending on how "stout" you want that bottom end and if your block is still usable, you can be out the door for less than $6500 installed.

Dude I'm sorry but and around here there is no way. To pull the engine, strip the blower n everything else off, buy the parts, rebuild n reinstall there is no way ur getting it done for that. No way.

 

[onebadgsx]

Shit. Those are some good gains. I was planning on staying tuned for 91 but now I'm not so sure...

e85...

 

[stang8psi]

We do it for 6800-7100 even. Pull motor, strip motor, machine block (deck plate , bore, hone, prep, finish clean) balance new crank. Rebuild long block new pistons, rods, all bolts and fastners, frpp head gaskets oil pump gears, head mod, place motor back in car and put blower back on and set up.

 

[Wnt2gofst]

Dude I'm sorry but and around here there is no way. To pull the engine, strip the blower n everything else off, buy the parts, rebuild n reinstall there is no way ur getting it done for that. No way.

All shops are different. One place told me 11,700 to do short block, retune with parts. Another said 9k to just do aluminator swap and tune. Waiting on anothers quote for short block that I know will be perfect even tune. But a hell of an idea just came up. That only leaves me cost of aluminator for 7895 with same perfect tune.

from my S4 in your sisters bed

 

[TW1NTRB0]

Dude I'm sorry but and around here there is no way. To pull the engine, strip the blower n everything else off, buy the parts, rebuild n reinstall there is no way ur getting it done for that. No way.

Well, I'm glad I don't do business with the same people that you do. If you are paying for 30 - 40+ hours of labor to install a built short block you are getting ass raped hard. I have two quotes, both for 1000rwhp capable setups taking my block with all machining cost plus the R&R of the motor and supercharger for 6800 in state and 6500 out of state. There is no way that any shop will have any car in there tying up 1 whole weeks worth of labor for a motor swap, not happening. Go to your local shop and hang out for the day and watch how long it takes to R&R a motor. You also need to remember there is very little labor involved in the supercharger R&R. All you have to do is pop the blower off, a few pipes, and connections and that's it. Same for replacement it takes less than an hour. The intercooler and custom modifications are already done. These shops have professional mechanics that do this everyday with the best tools. They can have the blower and engine out in 3 - 4 hours. If you buy a built short block for say 5K all they have to do is swap over the top end which is let's say 5 hours. Reinstall the motor and supercharger in 3 - 4 hours and done. Where is the 30 - 40 hours of $100/hr labor at? That's the only way you can come up with 3 - 4K in labor for the install. Wether they build your block or you buy a short block the cost is roughly 5K so take that out of the equation and all you have is the R&R labor and the top end swap labor. I paid $1200 in labor to have my 3V short block swapped over on a nitrous car, it in no way costs 3K more for the already installed supercharger labor. My local shop is $70/hour for labor, it would take 43 - 57 hours of labor to spend 3 - 4K in labor for the R&R, not happening. Even at $100/hour there is no way it takes 30 - 40 hours for the swap.

 

[TW1NTRB0]

We do it for 6800-7100 even. Pull motor, strip motor, machine block (deck plate , bore, hone, prep, finish clean) balance new crank. Rebuild long block new pistons, rods, all bolts and fastners, frpp head gaskets oil pump gears, head mod, place motor back in car and put blower back on and set up.

This is right inline with every shop I have been to and a very fair price for the work being done.

 

[stang8psi]

our price is including all labor and parts and machine work. using nothing but the best parts and all done within 2-3 weeks or so depending on the machining and the availability of the pistons and rods (custom bore sizing & CR's)

 

[Mystickeith50]

Well, I'm glad I don't do business with the same people that you do. If you are paying for 30 - 40+ hours of labor to install a built short block you are getting ass raped hard. I have two quotes, both for 1000rwhp capable setups taking my block with all machining cost plus the R&R of the motor and supercharger for 6800 in state and 6500 out of state. There is no way that any shop will have any car in there tying up 1 whole weeks worth of labor for a motor swap, not happening. Go to your local shop and hang out for the day and watch how long it takes to R&R a motor. You also need to remember there is very little labor involved in the supercharger R&R. All you have to do is pop the blower off, a few pipes, and connections and that's it. Same for replacement it takes less than an hour. The intercooler and custom modifications are already done. These shops have professional mechanics that do this everyday with the best tools. They can have the blower and engine out in 3 - 4 hours. If you buy a built short block for say 5K all they have to do is swap over the top end which is let's say 5 hours. Reinstall the motor and supercharger in 3 - 4 hours and done. Where is the 30 - 40 hours of $100/hr labor at? That's the only way you can come up with 3 - 4K in labor for the install. Wether they build your block or you buy a short block the cost is roughly 5K so take that out of the equation and all you have is the R&R labor and the top end swap labor. I paid $1200 in labor to have my 3V short block swapped over on a nitrous car, it in no way costs 3K more for the already installed supercharger labor. My local shop is $70/hour for labor, it would take 43 - 57 hours of labor to spend 3 - 4K in labor for the R&R, not happening. Even at $100/hour there is no way it takes 30 - 40 hours for the swap.

I think u are underestimating some of the work...also as a business owner you have to understand everything is not done hourly. Pieces of jobs are flat rated. I have not seen a quote to do my motor...which included taking mine out, taking the blower off, (also all the shops I know have a charge for dealing with a car with longtubes, blower, etc) for extra removal and installation time, buy parts, machine, assemble short/long block, put blower back on, long tubes back on, reinstall in car and tune for less than 9500 bucks. As a matter of fact if someone said they could do it for 6500 I personally would be skeptical. Cheap ain't good and good ain't cheap. Hey but maybe I like over paying.

 

[TW1NTRB0]

Well I'm not going to argue with you since you know everything already. I'm not underestimating anything, I know how it works it's not my first rodeo or built motor. A quick search around on the web or even on here will show similar results for a short block swap. I've had/have relationships with 4 shops from NC to SC and all four are within the range I stated. There are good honest shops that do good work and don't ass rape people on labor. The shop that does the work on my car currently, in my sig is one of the best on the east coast by a long shot. The team at Pro Dyno have done more car builds than most shops have seen at car shows or even tuned for that matter. My shops work isn't skeptical at all and Dan only charges $70/hr cause he doesn't gouge his customers. $9500 is just crazy and that has nothing to due with hourly jobs or not. I understand they flat rate things and thats why I stated my quoted figures for the swap. $1500 on a supercharged car for the labor is the standard around here. I also understand there is an upcharge for knowledge but not 3 - 4 times what the hourly rate is, that's just crazy. No one around here is paying that to swap the short block wether the car is boosted or not. In your neck of the woods maybe people are ok with that but quality work doesn't have to bend you over backwards.


* You can buy a built short block on the web delivered to your shop for $4K if you skip the oil pump gears and ARP bolts and have it swapped in for $5500 out the door on a supercharged car and reliably make 700rwhp. I understand some don't want to go that route but just stating it's possible. I don't really see how long tubes add any cost to the install as you R&R the manifolds or headers any way and they are installed with the engine out and they drop right in. I think some shops just charge full on rates for parts that are already installed and have to be reinstalled anyway, raping people in the process. I'm not trying to beat you up either just putting it out there that quality work does not have to cost a small fortune. Building a motor is very affordable and can be done in a high quality fashion without breaking the bank.

 

[Mystickeith50]

Thats great, and I'm not arguing either, but I'm just telling u in PA, NJ, or NY u can't get that price.

 

[Mystickeith50]

our price is including all labor and parts and machine work. using nothing but the best parts and all done within 2-3 weeks or so depending on the machining and the availability of the pistons and rods (custom bore sizing & CR's)

Where do u work stang? I'm interested Lol.

 

[stang8psi]

I don't want to break any rules on the forum so If any more questions please PM me.

We are not supporting members here but the shop is Horsepoweraddicts.net

we do a lot of LSX builds, and 05+ mustangs we have done several blower, long tubes, and a few motors here now on the 2011+ cars.. like s197 said the R&R of a motor with or without a blower is usually around 1200-1600 depending on what blower. and like I said before all parts labor and R&R for a short block build at our shop for 2011+ 5.0's are an average 6800-7100-7200 depending on options in and on the short block..

Again this is in and out of the shop.. price with all parts, Labor , time, R&R.. the only thing we don't do in house yet is tune the 11+ mustangs but we are working on that with the arrival of our own dyno in the very near future. We rent a dyno now for tuning lsx cars.

again we are in the beginning stages of training from sct. But we have a few local tuners here on the east coast that we can do remote tunes on the dyno when the vehicles are done.