6R80 transbrake you say?

[DSargent09]

What started the whole thing? Dustin said he had it figured out and nobody believed him? Or were people mad because he wasn't going to sell it without his kit?

Dustin has been very straight forward in my dealings with him. Danner has provided knowledge in the past and he's another person I wouldn't bat an eye in believing what he says.

These threads just make no sense whatsoever. At least from my standpoint.

Dustin, if you are going to give them away anyway then why not post it now? I'm pretty sure that Danner will figure it out eventually. You could post the schematic and end all of this nonsense.

Again I was not saying I did not believe him. I just think a 30 second video would end all this and I don't see his reason for not providing it...

 

[DSargent09]

I believe he said he will give them away if they take the bet..

He we go with another person saying take an unrealistic 10k bet.

 

[BruceH]

He we go with another person saying take an unrealistic 10k bet.

It's not unrealistic considering all the internet stalking imo. It is definitely a put up or shut up statement. I could understand not making a bet you can't cover but at one time it was $2k.

 

[05stroker]

Oh really?

Seems to hold just fine. I had no idea the converter would stall to 5K. The jerk at the end was me letting off the button hence the laughing.

Anyone local to us who is interested in seeing this in action first hand are welcome. Weather pending, we will be out this Sunday, 1/5.

http://littleriverdragway.com/schedule/

If I didn't have confidence in it working I wouldn't make that open invitation would I? No sack....rightttttt.....

REALLY, no sack. Could pull on the front of your underwear and a camel toe would show. Our brake doesn't work, footbrake, no WOT, etc. How about you pass around the collection plate and I show up to your track w cash and meet you and Larry?

It's not unrealistic considering all the internet stalking imo. It is definitely a put up or shut up statement. I could understand not making a bet you can't cover but at one time it was $2k.

^^^ Hey, I have an idea!

 

[ford20]

What started the whole thing? Dustin said he had it figured out and nobody believed him? Or were people mad because he wasn't going to sell it without his kit?

Dustin has been very straight forward in my dealings with him. Danner has provided knowledge in the past and he's another person I wouldn't bat an eye in believing what he says.

These threads just make no sense whatsoever. At least from my standpoint.

Dustin, if you are going to give them away anyway then why not post it now? I'm pretty sure that Danner will figure it out eventually. You could post the schematic and end all of this nonsense.

I have to agree with everything here especially this part. We all know that KDanner is going to figure it out.

My whole feeling is that CPRsm feels his kit does everything perfectly to the point where he will install the box on anyone's car just to prove his point to them. KDanner and WBT's position is that it doesn't work and that their kit is the real way of doing this. IMO both parties need to put up or shut up which I believe CPRsm has done time and time gain.

I really just don't get why the whole back and forth started from both parties.

 

[beefcake]

This ... All I see on 3 fourms is WBT & KDanner or Beefcake going back and forth with CPRsm and no one has taken the bet. Fuck, if you guys are so sure that it doesn't work properly then get $3333.33 from all 3 of you or just 5k from WBT & KDanner and go for it.

That's not to say I am calling you guys out or anything but I think all the videos and bullshit from both side of the camps can stop and be put to rest.

where have I ever said it doesn't work?

when the first video was posted, all I said was I would like to see a video of the car making a full pass off the t brake.

that was it.

I have clearly said more than a dozen times, that I am excited for a t brake, I think he should market the t brake. etc...

I NEVER SAID IT DOESN"T WORK. FOR THE 100th TIME!!!!

I just said I'd like to see a clean pass, as in our experience, a wrench light is putting the car in limp mode and will not go anywhere, or go anywhere right.

at the end of the day. A wot video, below the converters full holding power for say 3 seconds would end all this.

not sure why it wasn't put up some time ago. the video of chris car shows him pushing it up through the rpm's feathering it.

take it out on the street. go wot with it instantly (below the converter thresh hold) and hold it for a real 3 Mississippi on the 2 step, launch the car and go through a couple gears, not that hard

 

[CPRsm]

Facts:

1. I've told you exactly how I am doing this.

Why does this matter? The way you are doing it, is not how we do it.

2. I've shown this transbrake holding, and have shown the point at which the brake finally fails to hold.

Great. You found the limits of a tbrake wired up wrong.

3. Every transbrake has a point at which it finally fails to hold.

Agreed. But we have not found it on this tranny yet.

4. I've shown how part throttle can make a transbrake hold more torque than if you immediately go WOT.

And?

5. I've shown that an NA car on the footbrake sure gets up to a higher RPM far more quickly than the turbo car with the transbrake, even though they both have the same converter. This should be the opposite at WOT, more torque should flash that converter up higher, faster.

What is funny is originally he could only foot brake the 2700 or so. So how the same converter is shooting to 4k on another car is beyond me. You got me there. However, on a turbo car, rpm will slow as the converter tries to lock. Engine will see this load, and spool. The boost creates torque which will push the converter even higher in rpm. You will never see a turbo car like in your video unless it hits the two step before the converter starts to lock

Now the other side:
1. Will not tell you how they are doing this.

At what point did it become my obligation to show you how it's done?

2. Has not shown you a point where it finally fails to hold. Wants to act like such a point doesn't exist, I guess it is capable of stopping the rotation of the earth.

Again, we have not found the limit. Sure there is one.

3. Won't admit to #3 above.

Sam answer as above

4. Part throttle against the brake can be clearly seen/heard in more than one of their videos. This allows the brake to hold more torque.

Your part throttle theory added 1k rpm maybe? You still need to find over 200ft/lbs of torque to hold where we're at.

5. Takes seconds to get to the same RPM the NA car does in a fraction of a second, indicating part throttle. Never gets to the RPM the NA car does immediately, even though more torque should go even higher immediately. This indicates part throttle, not WOT.

Damn, explained above also. Hit converter, build boost, push against converter harder and gain more RPM.

he should be able to easily show you a video of that turbo car taking that same 3C right up to 5k RPM or more, and it would be readily apparent from the audio/video that the car was in fact at WOT against the brake.

Nobody asked for a video of WOT. Wanted vids of it working and we showed them. Then that wasn't good enough and wanted vids at the tracks. NOT UNTIL the last video did anyone question whether it was WOT. When he was caught testing no less. At this point I've asked Chris not to make another video because I'm thoroughly enjoying pulling your card. Believe me he's ITCHING to make another.

Even with the doubts raised about his product months ago, such a video STILL doesn't exist. Why? How hard can it be? Instead, what we do have was explained so well elsewhere that I will quote it here: "you're like the fat redheaded kid down the block who claims his dad can beat up every other kids dad and keeps saying "betcha, betcha" over and over again"

I've never made to anything of the sorts. Dad's don't fight to prove children right or wrong. This can end this weekend. The bets didn't come out until you claimed ours didn't hold. You made a claim you aren't willing to stake anything on. Which tells me you're only willing to run your mouth and not back anything up.
The easiest answer here is the fact you are upset you can't figure out how it's done. The kung fu is too strong for you. Since you can't figure it out, it must be impossible and we're all lying. Just to sell turbo kits.

And if you can't do that, because going WOT will make the trans slip, just like I am seeing, just admit it and why lie about it anyway? What other trans can you just bolt in a trans brake valve body to a bone stock transmission and expect it to have a huge capacity? Not a one that I've ever dealt with.

Nobody's lying. You're apparently, just simply have not figured it out. Your ego is entirely too big to admit it. You some how have deducted how you think we have done it and it's not right.
A transbrake in a stock tranny might not normally hold. But have you actually been in one of these tranny's? Have you seen how much steel to friction contact is in there? Has it totally passed over that head of yours that if a tranny can hold 800-900rwhp it just might be possible to hold like a built tranny?


Clear this up for all of us PLEASE. I've asked multiple times. IS THIS A VIDEO OF YOUR BEST DESIGNED BRAKE?

 

[CPRsm]

I believe he said he will give them away if they take the bet..

Yup, if he takes the bet I will make 100 brakes and give them out 100% free.

 

[rcm90]

He we go with another person saying take an unrealistic 10k bet.

Not unrealistic at all for all the shit that's been talked, if they truly believe what they say it should be a no brainer.. Plus just not that long ago it was 2g's.. That's defiantly not unrealistic, a lot of action on the streets happen for that.

 

[ford20]

I NEVER SAID IT DOESN"T WORK. FOR THE 100th TIME!!!!

I just said I'd like to see a clean pass, as in our experience, a wrench light is putting the car in limp mode and will not go anywhere, or go anywhere right.

at the end of the day. A wot video, below the converters full holding power for say 3 seconds would end all this.

My appologies, I mistook your statement's as your insinuation that it didn't work.

 

[CPRsm]

Not unrealistic at all for all the shit that's been talked, if they truly believe what they say it should be a no brainer.. Plus just not that long ago it was 2g's.. That's defiantly not unrealistic, a lot of action on the streets happen for that.

Yes. A few days ago I would have stayed in Socal and proved my point on much easier. One said it was a stupid bet and kept running his mouth instead. Now I have to take days off to travel half way across the US to shit in someones cherrios in person.

 

[rcm90]

Mmmm, shitty Cheerios!

 

[CPRsm]

Both been online since I posted. Still thrashing to figure it out? Or are we going to get an answer?



Clear this up for all of us PLEASE. I've asked multiple times. IS THIS A VIDEO OF YOUR BEST DESIGNED BRAKE?

 

[TimMcc]

I sure would like a t brake. Anyone else?

 

[Greg Hazlett]

I would!

 

[5.0Shocker]

Me too

Sent from a tropical island in paradise

 

[s8v4o]

Wow, free $10,000 and 100 free working units! I can't believe they haven't taken that from Dustin yet.

I know if I had a chance to legally take 10 large from someone I would.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

What did I just step into coming up in here????

 

[CPRsm]

,...... and 100 free working units!

Well, depends on who you ask. You guys might just get a magic box full of broken promises LOL.


Don't forget what Danner said. If it doesn't have 8 wires like his it won't hold.

Your own picture tells me either you aren't using the maximum amount of clutch available to hold, or you aren't maxing line pressure. If you were there would be a minimum of 8 wires just for the brake coming out of your cute little box.

 

[Chris5.0]

This is killing me.... Hahahaha

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