What have you done to your mustang today?
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UltraKla$$ic
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You'll love them. BadHabit2Break has them and they sound good!!!!
Norm Peterson
corner barstool sitter
Axle shaft seals, transmission oil, engine oil, new track pads and Motul RBF600 fluid, Aeroforce Interceptor gauge.
All in preparation for a 7 session track day out at Mid-Ohio on Labor Day.
Norm
All in preparation for a 7 session track day out at Mid-Ohio on Labor Day.
Norm
Labor day was last week.............
BeachMonkey100
Senior Member
lol I was just thinking the same thing.
Norm Peterson
corner barstool sitter
I know, but that's about as current as I ever get with these threads. I probably should at least check the axle seals again for Saturday's track outing, but we'll just have to see if that happens today.
Norm
Norm
07Bandit
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I used Rustoleum from Lowes. Has been on there for almost 18 months now with no peeling or chipping. Just cleaned them good with brake clean, wiped them with a clean rag with some windex and painted them.
They have held up to the heat very well. I don't road race the car but do drive it very spirited on the highway and back roads.
skwerl
tree hugger
Installed my Blowfish Racing shifter bracket. Detailed description and pics in the 'end MT-82 miss shifts' thread.
Whiskey11
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Full Disclosure: Kelly Aiken at BMR sent me a PM asking me to contact him should the SCCA decide to allow LCA's and Relocation brackets in Street Touring and Street Prepared. Considering it hit FasTrack with a lot of support from the Pony Car crowd and not much dissent from the rest of the SCCA, I have every bit of confidence that it will get rubber stamped into the rule book for 2015. I called up Kelly at BMR and we chatted about the various control arms and I eventually decided on the TCA022 with the Poly/Spherical combination due to the more durable spherical bearing and that it was cheaper to replace in the long run. Kelly gave me a deal that I couldn't refuse so I took him up on the offer. I'm not sure what transpired from there other than my brackets arrived a day before my lower control arms did so I installed the brackets as soon as I got them.
I was so giddy that I didn't bother taking a picture of the packaging but it was sufficient to prevent damage in the harsh shipping conditions in the back of the UPS truck!
I opted for both my parts in Black Hammertone because "sleeper" so both the LCA's and relocation brackets would be a little easier to hide. Here is what they look like:
Welding looks top notch but looks can be deceiving. These welds appear to be plenty deep which judging by the force these brackets have taken on other cars without welding, I think these are plenty strong for what I'll need them for!
The TCA022's also have some beautiful welds but are otherwise unremarkable to look at. That isn't a slight at the design or construction of these arms, it is just that there isn't a lot to look at that is "oooo and ahhh" worthy.
Zerk fittings for the poly side:
None for the spherical side though. Doesn't need it since it's teflon lined and the ball is jammed in there! This is really the "key" part of the control arm though as it is designed to allow the axle to articulate without binding as much as a poly/poly setup does.
The install of the relocation brackets came first as I said. The reality is that these are a bit of a PITA to install. Basically you had to get two bolts in and then pry the remaining part into the correct position. This is a bit of a pain and it requires ruining the finish on the new parts to really get them into place. I'm not one for looks and the damage to the black hammertone is very minor so it is what it is. Once the bolts are started the key is to just tighten things up. On my car there was no "slop" in the factory holes due to the prying of the brackets into place. This "fixed" their location so I was stuck with whatever resulted for a wheel base unless I wanted to grind holes to allow for some tolerance. THANKFULLY the wheelbase change, somewhere around a third of an inch, was consistent side to side and lengthened the wheel base some.
Because the LCA's hadn't arrived when I installed the brackets I was forced to install the stock LCA's in the second to bottom hole (middle hole). This amounts to about 80% anti-squat. A number for the drag race crowd that'd be "ok" but for us corner carvers is really on the "too high" side. That is a number that I can't change without either raising the ride height or using the lower control arms in the upper position which would require waiting until the TCA022's show up. That position corresponds to about 63-65% antisquat which is more reasonable. The lowest position would make some drag racers cream themselves as it corresponds to 98%ish antisquat. IE: Basically no squat as the control arms assume the majority of the load.
At any rate, the initial test drive indicated that a goose of the throttle would light up the tires with extreme ease. The car was EXTREMELY sensitive to throttle position when cornering as well. One thing I noticed right away was that the rear of the car was very willing to rotate... actually one thing I didn't like about this position was the fact that the rear of the car felt like it wanted to follow it's own track around a corner. It would push the car around the corner provided you didn't apply too much throttle.
When the TCA022's arrived I waited until today to install them due to work. I installed them in the top position on the relocation brackets and this calmed a lot of what I experienced above down. In fact it made for quite the experience as the car would not only put power down, it would force the car around the corner better. Not in the sense that it was drifting but that it was commanding a lot more of the front tires which is good! One of the biggest things I noticed was that these control arms had a lot less head toss than my modified stock lower control arms. I attribute this to the spherical bearing allowing for a greater deal of articulation without the binding from the poly/poly setup. NVH didn't increase from this which is no surprise because a torque arm is a giant tuning fork and is already transmitting all of that into the base of the seats. Overall, I look forward to REALLY pushing these arms and brackets in autocross... sadly that wont be till the end of the month.
NOW for the REAL Porn. Marc, eat your eyes out!
Aaaand the money shot: BECAUSE RACECAR!
She's dirty as hell under there and could use some cleaning but it's functional, not supposed to be super pretty!
I was so giddy that I didn't bother taking a picture of the packaging but it was sufficient to prevent damage in the harsh shipping conditions in the back of the UPS truck!
I opted for both my parts in Black Hammertone because "sleeper" so both the LCA's and relocation brackets would be a little easier to hide. Here is what they look like:
Welding looks top notch but looks can be deceiving. These welds appear to be plenty deep which judging by the force these brackets have taken on other cars without welding, I think these are plenty strong for what I'll need them for!
The TCA022's also have some beautiful welds but are otherwise unremarkable to look at. That isn't a slight at the design or construction of these arms, it is just that there isn't a lot to look at that is "oooo and ahhh" worthy.
Zerk fittings for the poly side:
None for the spherical side though. Doesn't need it since it's teflon lined and the ball is jammed in there! This is really the "key" part of the control arm though as it is designed to allow the axle to articulate without binding as much as a poly/poly setup does.
The install of the relocation brackets came first as I said. The reality is that these are a bit of a PITA to install. Basically you had to get two bolts in and then pry the remaining part into the correct position. This is a bit of a pain and it requires ruining the finish on the new parts to really get them into place. I'm not one for looks and the damage to the black hammertone is very minor so it is what it is. Once the bolts are started the key is to just tighten things up. On my car there was no "slop" in the factory holes due to the prying of the brackets into place. This "fixed" their location so I was stuck with whatever resulted for a wheel base unless I wanted to grind holes to allow for some tolerance. THANKFULLY the wheelbase change, somewhere around a third of an inch, was consistent side to side and lengthened the wheel base some.
Because the LCA's hadn't arrived when I installed the brackets I was forced to install the stock LCA's in the second to bottom hole (middle hole). This amounts to about 80% anti-squat. A number for the drag race crowd that'd be "ok" but for us corner carvers is really on the "too high" side. That is a number that I can't change without either raising the ride height or using the lower control arms in the upper position which would require waiting until the TCA022's show up. That position corresponds to about 63-65% antisquat which is more reasonable. The lowest position would make some drag racers cream themselves as it corresponds to 98%ish antisquat. IE: Basically no squat as the control arms assume the majority of the load.
At any rate, the initial test drive indicated that a goose of the throttle would light up the tires with extreme ease. The car was EXTREMELY sensitive to throttle position when cornering as well. One thing I noticed right away was that the rear of the car was very willing to rotate... actually one thing I didn't like about this position was the fact that the rear of the car felt like it wanted to follow it's own track around a corner. It would push the car around the corner provided you didn't apply too much throttle.
When the TCA022's arrived I waited until today to install them due to work. I installed them in the top position on the relocation brackets and this calmed a lot of what I experienced above down. In fact it made for quite the experience as the car would not only put power down, it would force the car around the corner better. Not in the sense that it was drifting but that it was commanding a lot more of the front tires which is good!
One of the biggest things I noticed was that these control arms had a lot less head toss than my modified stock lower control arms. I attribute this to the spherical bearing allowing for a greater deal of articulation without the binding from the poly/poly setup. NVH didn't increase from this which is no surprise because a torque arm is a giant tuning fork and is already transmitting all of that into the base of the seats. Overall, I look forward to REALLY pushing these arms and brackets in autocross... sadly that wont be till the end of the month.NOW for the REAL Porn. Marc, eat your eyes out!
Aaaand the money shot: BECAUSE RACECAR!
She's dirty as hell under there and could use some cleaning but it's functional, not supposed to be super pretty!
I noticed the same things you did when I did my brackets a week ago, in fact the drivers side would not go in unless I put in the top panhard bolt first and even then it was tough, and I went with the top hole as well as I do not visit the strip often. I didn't notice, but did you have the weights on your axle? I didn't and had no idea what to do with the holes for it because there is no hole on my axle for me to bolt it to, although the instructions say to bolt it.
Edit: nevermind, iIsee you bolted it but with no weights.
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Edit: nevermind, iIsee you bolted it but with no weights.
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Whiskey11
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My car did not have weights on it so the bolt holes were unused.
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Could be, if you have them where you want them you could always drill the holes and use a nut on the back side.
I contemplated it but it seems like more of a pita than its worth, I'll just weld them once I get it on a lift
claudermilk
Senior Member
Nice writeup, Whiskey. I've had those on my "to consider" list for a while. I guess since I'm hiding out in CAM this year, I might as well just get these & install them. Good to hear the NVH isn't really affected on the poly/ball arms.
skwerl
tree hugger
Put my 1pc ds on.
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Didn't have supplied bolts as I bought it used...
Hope its OK:
Why are there bolts missing? It looks like you're missing the adapter as well. I would highly recommend not driving it like that as it may end up being very expensive.
AnotherS197GT
Serial Valve Dropper
My Coast DS came like that as well. The spacer is much thinner than the end of the stock DS, so the stock bolts come through much further. Never caused me any issues in the month or so I had it on the car. I was worried about it at first, but they never touched a thing.
About to order a set of rear spacers for my car, as soon as I can get in touch with the guy. And I got some datalogging done for Lito today. I decided to give one of his tunes a shot, even though my car is about as easy as it gets. So far I'm very impressed with the base tune, and I can't wait to really beat the crap out of it once I get the revision.
^^Cool..Let us know, I'm about to order one. Was wanting to do my rear with 4.10's before the tune, just not able to pull it off financially at the moment.
I'm getting impatient and bored, so probably going to pull the trigger here soon
I'm getting impatient and bored, so probably going to pull the trigger here soon
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