Knock Off GT500 Brembos

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Yea see I wanna keep my stock rims. Tires are brand new. Plus the rims complete the look. I have 5mm wheel spacers. Anything else I'll have to get some boss hubs...

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Are those 19's. The 18's that come on base 13/14 GT's, require over an inch spacer to work
with 4 pots. I still put them back on for winter storage, using 8mm spacer and 1 inch bolt on spacers
(that have built in, separate studs). But I wouldn't be happy tooling around on the street with that style
of spacer.
 

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No they are 19 x 8.5

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Ahem! Lol 6piston pp brembos ftw.

Can vouch, will put abs to the test for sure. (Just saying they can bite well). I would like to get the larger brake booster as I notice more pedal travel, but I never have pushed to the floor with out breaking the tires and abs kicking in. I bought these from rockauto. You need 2013-2104 gt500 rotors and aftermarket brake lines for 2013-2014 gt500. I went with stoptech's as braided lines and stoptech slotted rotors. Saving for the rear 2013-2014 rear gt500 caliper brackets, seals, rotors and pads to upgrade the rear too.

Nice!!!!! Did 13/14 GT500 come with larger MC that is used on S550 PP 6 pots?
 

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No they are 19 x 8.5

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Than you probably have a much better shot. Here is the measurement
you need to look out for. @ about 5.5 inch radius off hub center, you need over 1.75"
clearance from WMS.

My knockoff Bullitts clear by a hair, using 8mm spacer. Any larger spacer and you lose hubcentric
ability/feature. (unless you get spacer that extends hubcentric feature, but many of them are too
wide for stock length studs)

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Here is the clearance with my 18's and 8mm spacer.
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Nice!!!!! Did 13/14 GT500 come with larger MC that is used on S550 PP 6 pots?

From what I gather that is the case. I haven't set down and researched that. Whatever it uses, it is bigger than what is on the 05-09 gt's.
 

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From what I gather that is the case. I haven't set down and researched that. Whatever it uses, it is bigger than what is on the 05-09 gt's.

Looks like ROCKAUTO claims MOTORCRAFT BRMC210 for either 2014 GT or GT500.
Was 6 piston fronts std or optional on 13/14 GT500?
 

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Stock 11-14 master cylinder works. Don't know about 05-10 master cylinder.

Six piston fronts were standard on 13/14 GT500.
 

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If anyone is interested these are for sale by me . 375. Used 2015 GT calipers , brand new pads , brand new ss brake lines , oe banjo bolts , and washers to properly space them out on s197s.... 375 plus the ride
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Stock 11-14 master cylinder works. Don't know about 05-10 master cylinder.

Six piston fronts were standard on 13/14 GT500.

"works" is subjective. My car was long travel spongy on stock GT brakes. Even worse with Brembos. I'm not saying they don't work better, just wish they had less brake travel to get going. 6 pistons on S197 are reported to be even worse for travel (oddly, the 6 piston GT350/GT500 and 6 piston S550's use different caliper piston diameters/arrangements).

https://trackmustangsonline.com/threads/brake-pedal-travel-firmness-and-hydraulic-sizing.13468/
 

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"works" is subjective. My car was long travel spongy on stock GT brakes. Even worse with Brembos. I'm not saying they don't work better, just wish they had less brake travel to get going. 6 pistons on S197 are reported to be even worse for travel (oddly, the 6 piston GT350/GT500 and 6 piston S550's use different caliper piston diameters/arrangements).

https://trackmustangsonline.com/threads/brake-pedal-travel-firmness-and-hydraulic-sizing.13468/
A larger diameter master cylinder bore size will give a firmer pedal with less travel, but at the expense of lower line pressure and even less braking force. To change to a smaller piston master cylinder will increase line pressure but at the expense of longer pedal travel. Like anything, there isn’t going to be any one magic part to get the system functioning properly. The right combination of parts is going to be the best bet. Likely proportioning valves, residual pressure valves, coupled with the correct amount of pedal throw. The first step to diagnosing and fixing the problem with your throw and pedal feel would be to find out how much brake pressure you are actually producing. Easy to do with a brake pressure gauge. I found a good article on this subject a while back. I will dig it up and link it.
 

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Searching around for inexpensive S197 4 piston Brembos for my 2014 V6, I’ve found out a few things upon researching.

A1 Cardone sells remanufactured calipers.
Cardone sells copies.

Found this out because a vendor here in Toronto sells both but the copies are cheaper obviously. The A1 may not have crossover tubes so you may have to source out ones or make your own.

Nugeon sells black painted remanufactured calipers but since they’re the cheapest I’ve found on Rockauto I’m skeptical in thinking that they’re real FoMoCo. Probably copies. On Rockauto it states Brembo design but also says Reman.

Powerstop sells red painted Brembos but I haven’t seen the back of them so I don’t know if they’re real or copies. They also sell unpainted Brembos and searching around for pics I believe they’re copies. Powerstop part numbers end with S5128 which is the same as Cardone.

BRCF are remanufactured from Ford Motorcraft. These will be the most expensive but guaranteed to be real.

I’ve thought about the S550 4 piston Continental calipers but don’t think they’ll work with my wheel choices I have planned. 18s for the winter and SVE R357 for the summer. I’m not a fan of using spacers. Would rather have wheels that fit than making wheels fit.
 

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Based on OX1’s way to tell copies from OEM, the powerstops are copies. Red painted or not. All copies.
 

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A larger diameter master cylinder bore size will give a firmer pedal with less travel, but at the expense of lower line pressure and even less braking force. To change to a smaller piston master cylinder will increase line pressure but at the expense of longer pedal travel. Like anything, there isn’t going to be any one magic part to get the system functioning properly. The right combination of parts is going to be the best bet. Likely proportioning valves, residual pressure valves, coupled with the correct amount of pedal throw. The first step to diagnosing and fixing the problem with your throw and pedal feel would be to find out how much brake pressure you are actually producing. Easy to do with a brake pressure gauge. I found a good article on this subject a while back. I will dig it up and link it.

Well Ford decided the 6 pistons required a larger MC in the S550's and did not change the size of the booster. I'm fine with having to push a bit harder to get the brake pedal not feeling like it is on the floor. Brake line pressure is going to be dependent on how much force your own body can supply. I don't know if Ford changed brake pedal ratio, proportioning, or any other aspect of the brake system with the larger MC. I don't really care, I've put together almost 40 different braking systems (mostly different combos on EB's and 78/79 FSB's). I understand the tradeoffs of MC size while not changing anything else and the 11+ S197 could use a larger MC for even the stock GT brakes, IMO. I do prefer very short travel brakes and like huge brake boosters (or hydraboost) coupled with large MC's.

Interesting. Glad I didn't go with them.

Glad to hear more are finding out about the copies. Nothing wrong with them, but some are selling them as Ford/Brembo originals, along with the higher pricing.
 
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I think I read somewhere that the copies had a longer pedal travel. It’s possible the inside of the caliper may not be a direct copy.

still wondering about the Nugeon calipers. All their pics show they’re FoMoCo and not copies. They keep going out of stock and back in stock on Rockauto so people are indeed buying them and stock gets replenished. I’ve seen actual pics of other vehicle calipers that have been rebuilt by Nugeon and they are indeed rebuilds and not copies. Wondering why their cheaper than every other remanufactured caliper.
 

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