Anyone know anything about this turbo kit?

[US-1]

you do know that i have the hellion kit right. you can see my car in action on the streets here. i will have some track videos coming soon. this was before the bbr stage 2 cams and is all done on 93 octane pump gas
http://www.streetfire.net/video/terminators-saleens-and-turbo-gts-oh-my_725145.htm

*ahem* What's it run?

Heeellllllooooooooo....................

 

[Bobby]

i am not pissed i am just telling him what i know from installing the kit and other kit like power house, hellion, turbo horsepower and a few others. that car hasent seen the track seance it was done that winter, but it will in a few weeks when i get my wheels and slicks and put in the trans and suspension stuff. but i will get booted from the track because i dont have a roll cage (my wife want let me because we are having a baby and want be able to get her in and out of there). so maybe when she gets a little older i will put the cage in or when i get another car she can ride in other then the wifes.

and i answered you in this post. you must have over looked it

 

[Bobby]

that is why i was asking you about the drag wheels and tires the other day which i still need to get. but i have to sell the nitrous kit i have up with the hsw spray plate. i was going to spray the car but i am running out of money for everything. so if i sell this stuff i will have enough to so the rest.

 

[On 3 Performance]

There are only so many ways that you are able to run the tubing. Its either coming forward and through the control arm how we chose to do it and does have one low point. It doesnt effect it 99% of the time as anytime you hit a low spot your tires are going up at the same time and I have never had it hang up on anything. Other than that, you would have to run tubular front suspension and wanted to try and not require that as a lot of people dont like swapping them on the 96-04 cars.

Sure there is a lot going on, your routing all exhaust forward, then off the turbo, plus all intercooler tubing. I personally would have vented the w/g to atmosphere to clean it up a little but a lot of guys dont like that. Any of the front mounted turbo kits drop the swaybar down, its impossible to route the tubing without doing so. Ask any of the guys on here with turbo mounted between the radiator and motor.

I personally have daily driven the 2v system 10k plus miles, rain, snow, sleet, you name it. The car makes right around 400 wheel and gets driven like its stolen. This system is no different and will perform just as well.

Injectors, maf, bap are not included as so many of the customers are swapping from s/c setups and have those parts. The options are in that listing you all show, if you need it you just add it to your order.

Ill have to go back and get the iat data but that core is as wide as you can put in that front area behind the crash beam and not have to cut/trim anything. After back to back pulls, there was not any sort of issue on high iat's. I think twin screws have the issues and 200+ degree iat's?? Thats a problem

The graph of that car was overlayed over a kb car on 10psi and the turbo car on 5psi. Made almost identical torque on HALF the boost but was almost 60 rwhp shy of its peak. I would have loved to see that 3v pulled at 10psi and then compared...... Spool up is good on the car, making full boost just at or shy of 3k on most 3v cars and pulls to redline. If you doubt any of the parts you see, upgrade them. Its one of those "you have to pay to play" things and if you dont trust one of the parts, you have to pay. They are proven, test, parts and backed up with track numbers and hp.

 

[Bobby]

There are only so many ways that you are able to run the tubing. Its either coming forward and through the control arm how we chose to do it and does have one low point. It doesnt effect it 99% of the time as anytime you hit a low spot your tires are going up at the same time and I have never had it hang up on anything. Other than that, you would have to run tubular front suspension and wanted to try and not require that as a lot of people dont like swapping them on the 96-04 cars.

Sure there is a lot going on, your routing all exhaust forward, then off the turbo, plus all intercooler tubing. I personally would have vented the w/g to atmosphere to clean it up a little but a lot of guys dont like that. Any of the front mounted turbo kits drop the swaybar down, its impossible to route the tubing without doing so. Ask any of the guys on here with turbo mounted between the radiator and motor.

I personally have daily driven the 2v system 10k plus miles, rain, snow, sleet, you name it. The car makes right around 400 wheel and gets driven like its stolen. This system is no different and will perform just as well.

Injectors, maf, bap are not included as so many of the customers are swapping from s/c setups and have those parts. The options are in that listing you all show, if you need it you just add it to your order.

Ill have to go back and get the iat data but that core is as wide as you can put in that front area behind the crash beam and not have to cut/trim anything. After back to back pulls, there was not any sort of issue on high iat's. I think twin screws have the issues and 200+ degree iat's?? Thats a problem

The graph of that car was overlayed over a kb car on 10psi and the turbo car on 5psi. Made almost identical torque on HALF the boost but was almost 60 rwhp shy of its peak. I would have loved to see that 3v pulled at 10psi and then compared...... Spool up is good on the car, making full boost just at or shy of 3k on most 3v cars and pulls to redline. If you doubt any of the parts you see, upgrade them. Its one of those "you have to pay to play" things and if you dont trust one of the parts, you have to pay. They are proven, test, parts and backed up with track numbers and hp.

i am glad you chimed in this is all true like i said if someone wants to see the foxbody in person pm me i can meet you. i would hae the 3v kit if it were out when i went turbo.

 

[rford426]

Here give me a hook up ill run 10#s on your kit

 

[Bobby]

10 psi will make well over 500 hp and 550 trq

 

[antonio1988]

Well this thread has turned into quite the eyebrow raiser, if everything is well with this kit, then it seems a lot of S197's will be going turbo. Seeing as the owner chimed in, it makes it that much more of a personable experience in my eyes. If there really is an issue in the eyes of the owner with where the pipes sit under the car, then motor mounts can be put in to raise the engine a bit, am I correct?

As for the direction of my car, I'm going to go ahead and keep the current setup and pick up a second job seeing as I don't have class until the end of August and invest in this kit and upgrade the things I want as I get the money. I wanted this kit out of impulse because of the price, but to be honest it would put me in a situation with no room to breathe, so better to take it easy and be patient. Unless someone gives me a complete turbo kit with a badass turbo, fuel system, and wg/bov/etc, then I will be getting the On 3 Kit.

 

[stangblast]

This kit is nothing more than a slapped together ebay turbo kit and backed by a company name. Big deal. It's sad to see some s197's will be going this route as it cheapens the s197 community as a whole. It's the equivalent to civic's running ebay turbo kits. A few people do it and then the guys with legitimate kit's are just another one of those ebay turbo cars. The s197 is not a cheap car by any means so why buy the car if you can't afford to mod it properly.

 

[08nastygt]

Why wouldn't you be moddinv it properly? I will have dyno numbers tonight unless something happens also will put some miles on it before I go to work. I have a whole thread with pics n all in the pics n vids section. The kit is not bad at all, but the true test willcome tonight when it's dynoed and on the road.

 

[Bobby]

This kit is nothing more than a slapped together ebay turbo kit and backed by a company name. Big deal. It's sad to see some s197's will be going this route as it cheapens the s197 community as a whole. It's the equivalent to civic's running ebay turbo kits. A few people do it and then the guys with legitimate kit's are just another one of those ebay turbo cars. The s197 is not a cheap car by any means so why buy the car if you can't afford to mod it properly.

no it isnt he costume made this kit an then massed produced it just like hellion, power house, and all the rest of the kits out there. so no you are wrong

 

[Mike@PowerHouse]

First let me say that I usually do not comment on another vendors post but I do have to say that the following statements are completely untrue and misleading to customers.

There are only so many ways that you are able to run the tubing. Its either coming forward and through the control arm how we chose to do it and does have one low point..

Couldn't be any further from fact, The system does not NEED to be plumbed under the K member, Nor does one need a tubular K member to do it otherwise.

Any of the front mounted turbo kits drop the swaybar down, its impossible to route the tubing without doing so. Ask any of the guys on here with turbo mounted between the radiator and motor...

Again you may want to do a bit of fact checking before you make such a statement. Not to plug my own stuff, but I will use it as an example to say that our system DOES NOT GO UNDER THE A ARMS, USES THE STOCK K MEMBER, and DOES NOT REQUIRE THE SWAY BAR TO BE RELOCATED. So to say that every forward mounted turbo has to be this way just shows how few systems that you are familiar with, and to say that is a factual manner is completely misleading.....

Now I am not here to pick apart your system, There is a market for it and you will sell many, but be prepared to spend hours and hours on the phone supporting your customers, This will make or break your product.
I know this because this is what I do, right down to teaching customers who bought our system to use their own versions of SCT's PRP. Walking them through the tune process, explaining to them the parameters of concern and which ones effect the others. Basically teaching them how to tune, and/or how to race the car. We are personnally involved with many of customers and routinely have their cars back in the shop just to see how our stuff is holding up in the long run and make modifications as neccessary.

Let me just add, that this is not intended to flame or bash ON 3 or any of it's customers, but to kindly inform and correct the misinformation that is in this thread.

 

[rford426]

I would love to have a ph kit bit like I said I'm 20 and in school the on 3 kits make it a little easier to go forged at the same time as turbo to me which makes me feel a little better about going fi and being forged

 

[AJ]

First let me say that I usually do not comment on another vendors post but I do have to say that the following statements are completely untrue and misleading to customers.

They aren't vendors..

Mike, hook it up with a kit

 

[EagleStroker]

I would love to have a ph kit bit like I said I'm 20 and in school the on 3 kits make it a little easier to go forged at the same time as turbo to me which makes me feel a little better about going fi and being forged

And a little brutal honesty is if you can't afford to fix it, you can't really afford to buy it. Its the reason there is no form of F/I on my ride.

 

[AJ]

And a little brutal honesty is if you can't afford to fix it, you can't really afford to buy it. Its the reason there is no form of F/I on my ride.

 

[On 3 Performance]

First let me say that I usually do not comment on another vendors post but I do have to say that the following statements are completely untrue and misleading to customers.



Couldn't be any further from fact, The system does not NEED to be plumbed under the K member, Nor does one need a tubular K member to do it otherwise.



Again you may want to do a bit of fact checking before you make such a statement. Not to plug my own stuff, but I will use it as an example to say that our system DOES NOT GO UNDER THE A ARMS, USES THE STOCK K MEMBER, and DOES NOT REQUIRE THE SWAY BAR TO BE RELOCATED. So to say that every forward mounted turbo has to be this way just shows how few systems that you are familiar with, and to say that is a factual manner is completely misleading.....

Now I am not here to pick apart your system, There is a market for it and you will sell many, but be prepared to spend hours and hours on the phone supporting your customers, This will make or break your product.
I know this because this is what I do, right down to teaching customers who bought our system to use their own versions of SCT's PRP. Walking them through the tune process, explaining to them the parameters of concern and which ones effect the others. Basically teaching them how to tune, and/or how to race the car. We are personnally involved with many of customers and routinely have their cars back in the shop just to see how our stuff is holding up in the long run and make modifications as neccessary.

Let me just add, that this is not intended to flame or bash ON 3 or any of it's customers, but to kindly inform and correct the misinformation that is in this thread.

I have never looked at your kit so I guess I have no idea how you plumb it. I have seen several guys doing forward facing headers and making it work under the stock kmember, I wasnt aware of anyone doing the production setups like that.

I too am very involved with a lot of my customers, work with them to hear how things go, note what might be ideal to change in the future and will also become more and more refined. We had the specific car we designed on at our shop my fair share and I think much longer than the customer even wanted. But in order for me to be sure things were right, we changed things till we were happy and everything fit to where where were happy.

You can get Precision turbos, gates, bov, etc, its just more money. We sell it as a base kit that still makes great numbers, if you doubt the parts, like stated above, you have to pay to run what you want. We spend everyday on the phone talking customers though installs, each kit comes with about a 8 page instruction package with text and photos to assist with the install. There is a lot of support that goes along with the setup that we have been proving ourselves on the 5.0 kits, 2v, 4v and now the 3v kits. We have 8 second cars with our kit, the 3v kit is fairly new but we have had a lot of systems out.

 

[On 3 Performance]

And a little brutal honesty is if you can't afford to fix it, you can't really afford to buy it. Its the reason there is no form of F/I on my ride.

The key thing is just dong get greedy and leave a boost controller off the car. If its a stock bottom end car, ensure you have a good tuner and dont touch the boost. Set it up around 5-7psi and its a blast to drive, it will make good power and SHOULD not have any issues. Anything can happen but at that level, its considered very safe.

I have ran the 2v car we built here daily and its driven like at stolen everyday. Its 6-7psi and 100% bone stock besides for the turbo and injector/pump to support the power. Over 10,000 miles on the car now, 100's of pulls on the street, plenty of track time and driven 365 days a year. Just make sure you setup the car properly from the start and things should go very well.

Dont get me wrong though, if you cannot afford to fix something if you do break, its not the best idea. If you are going to push it, just dont go crazy and leave boost moderate and it will be safe and enjoyable

 

[AJ]

I have never looked at your kit so I guess I have no idea how you plumb it. I have seen several guys doing forward facing headers and making it work under the stock kmember, I wasnt aware of anyone doing the production setups like that.

I too am very involved with a lot of my customers, work with them to hear how things go, note what might be ideal to change in the future and will also become more and more refined. We had the specific car we designed on at our shop my fair share and I think much longer than the customer even wanted. But in order for me to be sure things were right, we changed things till we were happy and everything fit to where where were happy.

You can get Precision turbos, gates, bov, etc, its just more money. We sell it as a base kit that still makes great numbers, if you doubt the parts, like stated above, you have to pay to run what you want. We spend everyday on the phone talking customers though installs, each kit comes with about a 8 page instruction package with text and photos to assist with the install. There is a lot of support that goes along with the setup that we have been proving ourselves on the 5.0 kits, 2v, 4v and now the 3v kits. We have 8 second cars with our kit, the 3v kit is fairly new but we have had a lot of systems out.

What turbo is included? and is your kit externally gated?

 

[On 3 Performance]

What turbo is included? and is your kit externally gated?

The base turbo is our On3 70mm, its been on my daily for over 10,000 miles now and thats what comes in the kit standard. We also sell Master Power and Precision for those that want to upgrade.

All the turbo systems are externally gated, we dont make any internally gated setups