5.0 long block weight, & water pump ?

[05yellowgt]

Hell the 6.2 won't NEED 4v heads to be able to replace a 5.4 4v. If the motor can make 412hp in truck trim, put a manifold, and cams designed for higher RPM operation that you want in a car and pump the compression some to run an adaptive tune for 87 and 91 like the Coyote has and see what happens.

 

[19COBRA93]

Hell the 6.2 won't NEED 4v heads to be able to replace a 5.4 4v. If the motor can make 412hp in truck trim, put a manifold, and cams designed for higher RPM operation that you want in a car and pump the compression some to run an adaptive tune for 87 and 91 like the Coyote has and see what happens.

Well I agree with what the 6.2L is capable of, but I don't think Ford will get the "excitement" they're looking for with 2v heads in their top mustang. Part of what makes the GT500/SVT so attractive is the wow factor when the hood is opened. And a big part of that "wow" is the physical size of those heads/valve covers.

The first time I saw under the hood of a '96 Cobra (in '95) my jaw about hit the floor. That car could have only made 150 hp, but I still would have wanted it. It was just impressive to look at.

 

[Matt D]

Well I agree with what the 6.2L is capable of, but I don't think Ford will get the "excitement" they're looking for with 2v heads in their top mustang. Part of what makes the GT500/SVT so attractive is the wow factor when the hood is opened. And a big part of that "wow" is the physical size of those heads/valve covers.

The first time I saw under the hood of a '96 Cobra (in '95) my jaw about hit the floor. That car could have only made 150 hp, but I still would have wanted it. It was just impressive to look at.

Yes the 4 valve heads / covers just look to dam good to not care lol...

 

[06whipple]

don't give up on the 4.6!!!

Sorry to say it but out with the old and in with the new. I bet there will be a lot of 5.0 swapping in the future (that's my plan right now). Especially if Ford Racing comes out with a forged crate motor for boosted applications with a reasonable pricetag. Till you do heads, cams, etc, etc it's gonna take at least 10 grand to build up the 4.6 to the same level that a forged crate 5.0 would give you.

 

[tjm73]

Sorry to say it but out with the old and in with the new. I bet there will be a lot of 5.0 swapping in the future (that's my plan right now). Especially if Ford Racing comes out with a forged crate motor for boosted applications with a reasonable pricetag. Till you do heads, cams, etc, etc it's gonna take at least 10 grand to build up the 4.6 to the same level that a forged crate 5.0 would give you.

And it's gonna take just as much to swap a 5.0 in for a while. There are not many donors for parts out there right now.

For a laugh I added up the parts to buy the engine, controls package n alternator package and engine cover package from FRPP. It was just over $9500 MSRP. Now you probably won't pay MSRP. But these things are so hot right now you will pay close to it I bet. And this doesn't even cover a bunch of other hassles to deal with that are unforeseen at this point.

You can do a lot of work for $9500 to a 4.6 3V.

All this talk is really about saying "I have a 5.0". Just sell or trade the 4.6 you have and buy a 5.0 if you wanna say you have a 5.0. Then modify that. It looks like they are the kick a$$ car to have anyway. Or modify the car you have.

Engine swapping with emission controls and the sophisticated electronics these new 5.0's use makes swapping a cost prohibitive proposition.

 

[tjm73]

For the 6.2, from what I've read the stock heads don't flow much better than ported 3V heads. But if they changed the intake, modified the heads to flow better and cam accordingly, the 6.2 would easily make 500hp naturally aspirated and be emissions legal I bet.

Change nothing but add a blower and intake and I think it'll make over 600hp without doing anything different. If it is equal to the 5.4 DOHC in hp/litre terms the 6.2 would deliver 620 hp.

 

[19COBRA93]

Change nothing but add a blower and intake and I think it'll make over 600hp without doing anything different.

Change nothing and add a blower to a new 5.0L and you're at 624 hp. With the "little" 5.0 already that capable, the 6.2L had better bring out the big guns if it's going to be in the top mustang.

 

[06whipple]

And it's gonna take just as much to swap a 5.0 in for a while. There are not many donors for parts out there right now.

For a laugh I added up the parts to buy the engine, controls package n alternator package and engine cover package from FRPP. It was just over $9500 MSRP. Now you probably won't pay MSRP. But these things are so hot right now you will pay close to it I bet. And this doesn't even cover a bunch of other hassles to deal with that are unforeseen at this point.

You can do a lot of work for $9500 to a 4.6 3V.

All this talk is really about saying "I have a 5.0". Just sell or trade the 4.6 you have and buy a 5.0 if you wanna say you have a 5.0. Then modify that. It looks like they are the kick a$$ car to have anyway. Or modify the car you have.

Engine swapping with emission controls and the sophisticated electronics these new 5.0's use makes swapping a cost prohibitive proposition.

If you think about it there is at least a 15 grand difference to trade up to less power than I have now. To go back to stock and sell a used gt and part out other mods or sell outright with the supercharger on it and then put the money towards a new gt doesn't make sense. If I'm gonna waste money on a toy it's more sensible to do a swap and reuse the supercharger. Can spend 10-12 grand and be solid in the tens...maybe low tens. Would take at least 20 grand to get the same result trading up to a 2011 when all I really want is the motor. I don't want that damn Chinese made Getrag either.

 

[CarbonRight]

If you think about it there is at least a 15 grand difference to trade up to less power than I have now. To go back to stock and sell a used gt and part out other mods or sell outright with the supercharger on it and then put the money towards a new gt doesn't make sense. If I'm gonna waste money on a toy it's more sensible to do a swap and reuse the supercharger. Can spend 10-12 grand and be solid in the tens...maybe low tens. Would take at least 20 grand to get the same result trading up to a 2011 when all I really want is the motor. I don't want that damn Chinese made Getrag either.

With power numbers maybe but look what people are getting for ETs with almost stock 2011s (and "Chinese made Getarg"s). If you're running an 11.61 it wouldn't take all that much to hit that mark in a 2011.

 

[GrnBullitt08]

So whats the word Matt, you gonna throw a 5.0 in there or what?

 

[06whipple]

With power numbers maybe but look what people are getting for ETs with almost stock 2011s (and "Chinese made Getarg"s). If you're running an 11.61 it wouldn't take all that much to hit that mark in a 2011.[/QUOTE

I agree...just can't justify the money. Smartest thing to do would be just a forged shortblock and up my boost to 16psi. Can't make up my mind...gonna be a long winter.

 

[Germeezy3]

Something to think of, with the 5.0's head flow even stage 1 heads are not picking up much flow in the mid flow ranges, basically from the dyno sheets I have seen there is not much room for increased flow to make power unless you are talking RPM levels 500-1000 rpm higher than factory. The added displacement will provide more power under the curve, and at 434 lb ft with 2V heads the 6.2 will also have a much better powerband.

Me in my wicked mad scientist head, I keep thinking about a Boss 429 with a 6.2 stroked to 7.0 liters and either ported 5.0 heads with DI bosses drilled or ported Ford GT dual injector heads.

 

[US-1]

I'm thinking 6.2 with Ford GT heads and twin ProMod 88's.

 

[GrnBullitt08]

I'm thinking 6.2 with Ford GT heads and twin ProMod 88's.

lol...that would be a hell of build

 

[Germeezy3]

I'm thinking 6.2 with Ford GT heads and twin ProMod 88's.

Please don't let John get his hands on this motor, if he can get 2300 hp out of 4.6 liters what can he get out of 6.2 liters?

 

[HEMI LOL]

you son of a bitch.

 

[US-1]

Please don't let John get his hands on this motor, if he can get 2300 hp out of 4.6 liters what can he get out of 6.2 liters?

He's busy tinkering with the Coyote right now. I'm the loose cannon who wants the 6.2 engines.

 

[Matt D]

So whats the word Matt, you gonna throw a 5.0 in there or what?

Ive decided it's the way im going... Now the hard part... Dropping loot and stop talking about it

I might be able to sell my motor complete minus a few parts so Im going to try that first

 

[06whipple]

Something to think of, with the 5.0's head flow even stage 1 heads are not picking up much flow in the mid flow ranges, basically from the dyno sheets I have seen there is not much room for increased flow to make power unless you are talking RPM levels 500-1000 rpm higher than factory. The added displacement will provide more power under the curve, and at 434 lb ft with 2V heads the 6.2 will also have a much better powerband.

Me in my wicked mad scientist head, I keep thinking about a Boss 429 with a 6.2 stroked to 7.0 liters and either ported 5.0 heads with DI bosses drilled or ported Ford GT dual injector heads.

I may just keep what I have for now and focus on drivetrain/suspension until things start happening with the 6.2L... A blown 7.0 with 4V heads would be friggin incredible. I just hope mileage/emissions standards don't kill the future for big displacement. Does anybody know what kind of modification it would take to put the 6.2 block into an s197

 

[Germeezy3]

Also the 5.0 needs a lot of gear, and as high tech and high revving as it is there is something about a lot of motor in a relatively lightweight car with a lot of torque that is appealing with tall gears. A 427, 428, or 429 stroker motor based on a 6.2 with a lot of compression would be an extra nasty N/A motor and with boost.....it would be an absolute terror. A big hats off to Ford for making the 5.0 physically smaller compared to the last gen 4V engines and holding the line on weight.