Mastering the art of the S197 3 link suspension (sixty foot)

[Matt D]

It is good 1.60 flat is hard to do with that power that's why I asked lol....I hit 1.60's at 12.0 et's, 330wrhp geared perfect weighing 3210lbs. Just comparing that's all. I ran the exact same tire you have back then too

Your car is hooking great

 

[waketek516]

It is good 1.60 flat is hard to do with that power that's why I asked lol....I hit 1.60's at 12.0 et's, 330wrhp geared perfect weighing 3210lbs. Just comparing that's all. I ran the exact same tire you have back then too

Your car is hooking great

Yeah I'm pretty happy with it. Its a good street/strip suspension. I know the H&Rs aren't great for drag racing, but when I'm on my street rims it looks BAD ASS

One of these days (when the car isn't my DD) I'll switch over to a lighter front setup and CJs in the rear.

 

[justanother96gt]

Awesome thread, this is exactly what I've been looking for as far as where to start on my suspension.

 

[fdjizm]

Why do you say that? What doesn't seem right?

Here's the run:

Sick run for what you have man, where are you launching & shifting on it?

 

[waketek516]

Sick run for what you have man, where are you launching & shifting on it?

I believe on that run I was launching around 5,200, and shifting at 6,100 (limiter is at 6200)

I just need to work on my reaction times

 

[GT.350-R]

Hahaha okay cool. I was like I thought 1.69 was good considering my mods

I would kill for a 1.69 60ft. Thats real impressive.If I could get in the 1.6s I may hit a 12.50. The best I've seen was a 1.80 on 18in wheels. I'm hoping with Race Stars and a front sway bar removal I can hit the 1.60s and a 12.5x 1/4 ET.

60ft--1.80
330ft-5.317
1/8--8.18 @ 85.8mph
1/4--12.75 @ 108

Hoping for better times in Florida in March.

 

[1fastpony]

I believe on that run I was launching around 5,200, and shifting at 6,100 (limiter is at 6200)

I just need to work on my reaction times

Just some small suggestions that might help lower your ET. Your 1/8 et looks good but mph is 1-2 mph low as well as 1/4 mph and et is falling off. Your mph should be in the 107-108 mph. I assume you still have the charge motion plates still on the car. Bump your rev limiter up to 6800 and shift at 6200-6400, your throttle body starts to close at 400rpms before set rev limiter. Also data log your timing to see if the car is pulling timing.

Good Luck.

 

[Matt D]

I have the new upr suspension... Has an adjustable spring perch. I should be lower the back end of the car without sacrificing the travel.

I can't wait to try this Im aiming for 1.3x sixty foots this season

Qa1 springs

 

[blackgt09]

best times so far
12.983 @ 107.27
with a 1.870 60'


launching at 5600 and shifting at 6k
stock rear with 331 gears
stock clutch
frpp suspension with shocks/struts and sway bar system k series springs
stock pan hard bar, upper and lower control arms
front sway bar removed
micky t et streets 26x10.5 on stock (off an 07) 17" bullits stock front 18" with 255/45/18 continental all seasons

this season im going out with a centerforce dual friction clutch che upper and lower control arms sphon on car adj phb upper shock tower brace 410s and carbon disk rebuild kit for the stock tlock

i think ill do a lil better

oh yeah and im still n/a

 

[waketek516]

Just some small suggestions that might help lower your ET. Your 1/8 et looks good but mph is 1-2 mph low as well as 1/4 mph and et is falling off. Your mph should be in the 107-108 mph. I assume you still have the charge motion plates still on the car. Bump your rev limiter up to 6800 and shift at 6200-6400, your throttle body starts to close at 400rpms before set rev limiter. Also data log your timing to see if the car is pulling timing.

Good Luck.

Thanks! Yes - I still have the stock charge motion plates. I'll be putting deletes in this summer. I'll try to set the limiter higher, and see if that helps the mph. Is there any danger revving the stock engine that high?

 

[1fastpony]

Thanks! Yes - I still have the stock charge motion plates. I'll be putting deletes in this summer. I'll try to set the limiter higher, and see if that helps the mph. Is there any danger revving the stock engine that high?

Ask MATT D about the potential high rev...Ha Ha. He banged gears at almost 7k rpm on that 4.6 3v for years. However, it is almost common knowledge that the 4.6 3v can handle ~6500rpms on occasion. But remember you don't need to shift at that rpm in your car as setup because it falls off on power after~6200rpms. The aim is to boost the power bnd by 500 rpms by setting the rev limiter higher so you will NOT lose power at your shift points. When you get the CMDP's in then the car will go higher rpms with ~ 10rwhp with them as well as a set of Long Tubes, ~20rwhp and rwtq. These will help power above 6krpms for a tenth or two and 2mph at trap.

 

[Matt D]

Ask MATT D about the potential high rev...Ha Ha. He banged gears at almost 7k rpm on that 4.6 3v for years. However, it is almost common knowledge that the 4.6 3v can handle ~6500rpms on occasion. But remember you don't need to shift at that rpm in your car as setup because it falls off on power after~6200rpms. The aim is to boost the power bnd by 500 rpms by setting the rev limiter higher so you will NOT lose power at your shift points. When you get the CMDP's in then the car will go higher rpms with ~ 10rwhp with them as well as a set of Long Tubes, ~20rwhp and rwtq. These will help power above 6krpms for a tenth or two and 2mph at trap.

What to you mean almost at 7000? I shifted at 7200

The stock oil pump gears is something that scatters at high rpms , which I replaced but my bottom end was stock. Valve springs is another that would need to be upgraded when reving above 6800 rpms.

On stock valve springs, stock oil pump I reved to 6700. See my sig quote

 

[waketek516]

Yeah I see what you guys are saying. I may just leave it as is for now though. I race in a bracket series, so I'm not looking for absolute quickest time, but just consistency with what I've got!

Big changes are happening this summer (check my Nitrous thread for details on that)
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51643

 

[1fastpony]

What to you mean almost at 7000? I shifted at 7200

The stock oil pump gears is something that scatters at high rpms , which I replaced but my bottom end was stock. Valve springs is another that would need to be upgraded when reving above 6800 rpms.

On stock valve springs, stock oil pump I reved to 6700. See my sig quote

Pardon me Mesir,

Indeed, where the rpms land after shift is very, very important on mister small block.

 

[trucker]

1:67 60ty ft. best et 11.73 best mph 117.99
5r55 stock converter launch idle BFG DR 275x35r18
svt lower conrol arms roush rear springs FRPP sway bars front and rear
lakewood pan hard and upper bars
front springs stock shocks stock edelbrock SC 10lb boost
BBK long tube headers / catted X pipe mufflers stock ford bullet
I leave it in drive it shifts at 6000-6100
453 rwhp 456 rwtq tuned by JDM

 

[Matt D]

Pardon me Mesir,

Indeed, where the rpms land after shift is very, very important on mister small block.

Yes we need all the rpms we can get

 

[JP229]

I have the new upr suspension... Has an adjustable spring perch. I should be lower the back end of the car without sacrificing the travel.

Qa1 springs

^^I Just saw those on their site in sales(never seen them before and still cant find it in rear suspension or anything.). I'm taking most, if not all off my Roush suspension and selling so I'll be looking into those for sure now that I have the front suspension on the way.

Matt how did you like running the rear anti roll bar on the street? I have a buddy trying to convince me to take off the rear sway too and switch to anti roll bar.

I'll try to set the limiter higher, and see if that helps the mph. Is there any danger revving the stock engine that high?

Big changes are happening this summer (check my Nitrous thread for details on that)
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51643

Matt is not the only one spinning to 7k or above so dont think, "oh well that's just one guy!" lol. There are quite a few people doing it. I havent seen/heard any issues yet. However, I did have a HSW plate kit for my car but I steered away from that considering it's already 362 horse and spinning to 7k. I wouldnt be able to stop myself from throwing a 100 load on there so I'm going the n/a route and see what I cant do.

 

[blue streak]

1.72 60' and with only 26x10.5x15 et streets, and 4.10s.

new set-up.
upper arm: bmr adjustable
lower arms: stock for now
gear: 4.10
shocks: qa1
relo brackets: bmr
panhard: edelbrock no brace
no anti-roll bar =((

went 1.68 3 or 4 passes the last race last year. havent been able to dial it in. i want consistent 1.65s...

 

[blue streak]

best 60" on the shot is a 1.63 with a little spin. thats leaving at 5500 and hitting the button as im dumping the clutch lol. somehow the clutch is taking it like a cheap hooker. car makes 422 and 463 on juice.

 

[Robertt305]

10.96@ 132mph 1.81 60' time

Shocks/Struts- Stock
- Rear springs pro kit
-front springs pro kit
- Lower control arms J&M & CHE LCA relocation brackets
- Upper control arm BMR adjustable -2 pinion angle
- Pan hard bar BMR
- Pan hard bar support brace stock
- Gear size 3.73 & CHE axle brace
- Brand/ tire size M&H race master 325/50/15. @15psi
- Clutch- stock clutch
- rear sway bar - stock and relocated
-front sway bar - stock and on the car
-Race master front and rear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGFXkamufVQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1zxvsKBsc&feature=youtube_gdata_player



NEW SETUP

Will be at the track on the 25th to try it out....

I added tokico D spec front & rear

Removed front sway bar

Anyone recomend any settings to use on the D specs when lowered on a pro kit?