Clutch problems

[redstangs9308gt]

Question, everyone knows the 6060 is longer than the 3650, could some of that extra length come for a deeper bell housing???

 

[JeremyH]

I already ordered one and its being shipped right to the shop since its 2 hrs away.

What clutch/flywheel did you go with?

Yes the 6060s bellhousing is a bit deeper than the 3650 since the gt500 twin disc clutch and flywheel is thicker than the gt single clutch/flywheel as they use the same slave.

 

[redstangs9308gt]

I already had a Mcleod steed flywheel, and I am using a rxt clutch. I noticed on my 3650 and the rst I was having issues acting like the clutch wasn't fully depressed hanging in gear when trying to power shift etc. I just thought it was all in the tranny. After looking at the rst now I am thinking I had other problems because it was clearly not disengaging. The floater ring had a weird contact/wear pattern. The disks, closest to the splins front and back was almost wore out, and the floater ring showed that it was clearly riding on that very very small path. Sure hope this rxt does better. Ill holler at you guys later today about lunch I am getting ready to go out and try to finish this up. Keep us updated Jermey

 

[JeremyH]

Sounds like a failing slave issue if it was hanging. God I hate these hyd clutches.

Before this with the 3650 I had a rst and fidanza aluminum flywheel with a new oem slave and it performed flawlessly.

 

[tbrock]

I already had a Mcleod steed flywheel, and I am using a rxt clutch. I noticed on my 3650 and the rst I was having issues acting like the clutch wasn't fully depressed hanging in gear when trying to power shift etc. I just thought it was all in the tranny. After looking at the rst now I am thinking I had other problems because it was clearly not disengaging. The floater ring had a weird contact/wear pattern. The disks, closest to the splins front and back was almost wore out, and the floater ring showed that it was clearly riding on that very very small path. Sure hope this rxt does better. Ill holler at you guys later today about lunch I am getting ready to go out and try to finish this up. Keep us updated Jermey

On your 3650 you were using the McLeod flywheel and the RST clutch? It was hanging in gear? Could you depress the clutch pedal and still not get the car out of gear? Sorry for the questions but I just put in an RST and an Exedy steel flywheel and that is what my car is doing, but only intermittenly. We've bleed and re-bleed the crap out of the system so I doubt we have any air trapped. I was thinking bad slave, or something wrong inside the tranny. If lightblade had good results with a Fidanza aluminum flywheel and the stock slave I may go that route instead of with a McLeod flywheel. Thanks This thread has been great info. Sucks that so many are struggling to get the clutch worked out on these cars.

 

[redstangs9308gt]

Yes it wouldn't do it all the time just some times. Seem to work better when colder. Soon as tranny/motor rear end got HOT like from 1hr on of driving it got worse and worse and GOD FORBID you are in stop and go traffic then it became HELL!.......Also note. From a warmed up motor, cold tranny, cold rear end, the car would go into gear perfect, then same as above everything hot, from a dead stop the car would lundge forward slightly when going from N to 1st or from N to R. So, like I said I will take pics and show yall what I am talking about on how my clutch was wearing funny, something was going on there. Hell I might just send off the clutch back to Mcleod with my slave and ask them what the heck is wrong with this and see what they have to say. Oh and my 6060 swap is just about complete came in to rest a minute. Its mated up, bolted, filled up, shifter in, now I just gotta hook up crossmember, computer hook ups, driveshaft, and put my console back together and we will see how this beast is going to work....TTYL

 

[JeremyH]

Hey what do you know, no 2010 slaves in stock either anywhere. So the one I ordered online is back ordered as well.

 

[jodadejss06gt]

I know steve poe has a slightly used one

 

[JeremyH]

I know steve poe has a slightly used one

LOL, yeah if I would just kept that one I would have saved myself $500 and 2 months without the car...

 

[06whipple]

Wish there were a better clutch setup for our cars. Read about so many slave issues..

 

[redstangs9308gt]

I swear if I aint loosing my mind I think my buddy priced me a 2010 in stock at the ford dealer....if it gets too bad maybe you can call him up and ask him about it....but its ford so.....225+? Ill pm you the info but they are closed today. Remember I was asking a while back about part numbers @rock auto. Well they was out and back orded so I called up him and what do you know had a couple 05-09 in stock..

 

[gil_t2]

Question, everyone knows the 6060 is longer than the 3650, could some of that extra length come for a deeper bell housing???

Extra lenght is in the tailshaft housing, Don't want to piss you off, but are you guys checking the measurments before install? The design of the pressure plate fingers is different between manufactures, and you need to use the shims sometimes. When i installed my 6060 i used a Ram clutch and PP, i had to use a 1/8 shim. I have change between 15 and 20 clutchs and never ( knock on wood) had any problems.

 

[JeremyH]

Im not going to shim a slave thats already 3/4" to 1" compressed when installed.

 

[gil_t2]

Did you try this? View attachment 24787 The TB' is longer that it's operational length. The fact that it is compressed 1/2 to 1' means nothing.

 

[JeremyH]

Yes it does, it means the throw has been reduced. The slave should just barely touch the pressure plate, "friction contact" per ford's specs.

Shimming it closer would compress it even more.

 

[gil_t2]

That is incorrect, you are to install it a certain dimension between fully extended and fully depressed. Think about it, if it barely touched it would not be able to extend enough to release the clutch.

 

[JeremyH]

That is incorrect, you are to install it a certain dimension between fully extended and fully depressed. Think about it, if it barely touched it would not be able to extend enough to release the clutch.

I am thinking about it and this is the opposite of what everyone has said. lol

 

[JeremyH]

Is this what you mean? (this is clutch pedal up not depressed)

So since my problem is it doesnt fully disengage even with the pedal to the floor, the slave needs to be more compressed and closer to the pressure plate?

So the more its compressed at rest the farther it will push on the pp fingers when you push the clutch and the slave fills with fluid?

 

[gil_t2]

Yes, look at your PP fingers! Some manufactures curve the fingers back to the flywheel, this makes a pocket for the TB to set in ( RAM for one). This will require a spacer . Ford PP have fingers that go straight out, so if you measure pp surface to end of fingers the Ford PP is deeper that most aftermarket. I don't know if this helps but it is something to check out.

 

[JeremyH]

I have the rst like this, it does appear the fingers stick out towards the slave more(humped out on the ends of the fingers towards the slave) so how much should I shim the slave closer, right now the clutch barely even disengages the car will roll in gear with the clutch to the floor. 1/8" closer?