Fuck this car.

[marcspaz]

This had me laughing. Go reread my original post about the ideal gas law. Where do you think this equation came from? It is just another way of writing what I wrote originally and it is derived from the idea gas law.

LOL... Sorry, I forgot you posted all of that. I was thinking it was someone else for some reason.

Personally, I still haven't figured out if there is a ton of science buried under the art of engine building or if there is a ton of art hidden by the science of engine building.

Very true. There is a nice mix of the two too say the least.

Thanks for taking the time to post all of that info and follow-up. Good stuff I can't disagree with.

 

[US-1]

Personally, I still haven't figured out if there is a ton of science buried under the art of engine building or if there is a ton of art hidden by the science of engine building.

It's all black magic and voodoo. Don't try this at home.

 

[ROUSH1711]

Josh,I am very sorry to read all about this drama.
Ive been overseas with family,and was hoping to
return and read up some great sucess with your
project,and many others as well.

This really sucks!! I hope it's all sorted out sooner rather than later.

 

[FordMotorHEAD]

damm that sucks....

I am thinking on parting out the car as well. I have an electrical problem somewhere and cant find it.

How much for the turbos ???

 

[MLC40]

how much for the little girl...

 

[chad05gt]

Yea, I broke it! I look at it this way, at least now, I have Triangle Speed billet oil pump gears!

you had 'em when this happened, or have the Triangle Speed billet oil pump gears now??

 

[silverstang07]

I'm thinking he has them NOW chad (hopefully).................I've been meaning to stop by there and check them out, if I can afford them when the time comes I might put them in my motor.

 

[akula52]

TS

I did not have the gears in my last stroker, but based on posts by SD and others, I figured it would be worth a try.

 

[one eyed willy]

I did not have the gears in my last stroker, but based on posts by SD and others, I figured it would be worth a try.

where you using a stock gt ot gt500 pump before? im assuming your motor went becuase of oil pump failure?

 

[RRRoamer]

It's all black magic and voodoo. Don't try this at home.

Too late! Why do you think I am confused???

 

[FalconGTHO]

As was was mentioned once, really, for the sake of consumer good will and future sales, both the tuner AND Livernois should split the repair bill and Mahle should step up with a new piston set. Seriously, this isnt going to cause a truly measurable, significant dent in any of the parties margins at the end of the fiscal year. This will go a LONG way to GAINING sales OR eliminating the few in this thread who said they are now wavering or have decided to NOT go with Livernois.

Really guys, its retail 101. If theres a grey area, just take care of the customer. One poor experience will lead to at least 10 lost future customers via word of mouth. And really, its often stated that its 100 for every one bad outcome. THATS a significant loss of margin. Why risk it for the sake of 1250$? Its the cost of having a successful business.

 

[retfr8flyr]

As was was mentioned once, really, for the sake of consumer good will and future sales, both the tuner AND Livernois should split the repair bill and Mahle should step up with a new piston set. Seriously, this isnt going to cause a truly measurable, significant dent in any of the parties margins at the end of the fiscal year. This will go a LONG way to GAINING sales OR eliminating the few in this thread who said they are now wavering or have decided to NOT go with Livernois.

Really guys, its retail 101. If theres a grey area, just take care of the customer. One poor experience will lead to at least 10 lost future customers via word of mouth. And really, its often stated that its 100 for every one bad outcome. THATS a significant loss of margin. Why risk it for the sake of 1250$? Its the cost of having a successful business.

Companies have to worry about more than just one problem. If Livernois and Mahle stepped up and made this good, even if in this case it should happen, then every time someone blows an engine they would point to this case and demand the same treatment. Companies can't stay in business that way, there is a fine line they have to tread as to what is actually covered and what isn't. I just hope things can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.


Earl

 

[Ken3030]

Companies have to worry about more than just one problem. If Livernois and Mahle stepped up and made this good, even if in this case it should happen, then every time someone blows an engine they would point to this case and demand the same treatment. Companies can't stay in business that way, there is a fine line they have to tread as to what is actually covered and what isn't. I just hope things can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.


Earl

And if they do stay in business the cost to all is going to go UP to pay for the warr claims. Who caused the damage should pay.

 

[FalconGTHO]

Companies have to worry about more than just one problem. If Livernois and Mahle stepped up and made this good, even if in this case it should happen, then every time someone blows an engine they would point to this case and demand the same treatment. Companies can't stay in business that way, there is a fine line they have to tread as to what is actually covered and what isn't. I just hope things can be worked out to everyone's satisfaction.

Ehh, this is not a clear cut case. And future events may not be in a grey area. And, the large print giveth and the fine print taketh away. "We reserve the right to deny any warranty claim at any time for any reason without prior notice".

Ive been in retail over 20 years with over 5 companies, you take care of the customer. The loss now is NOT as great as the loss later from bad PR. Goodwill goes a LONG way. Separate the cheaters and scumbag ripoffers from the honest customers such as this.

 

[Ken04]

Ehh, this is not a clear cut case. And future events may not be in a grey area. And, the large print giveth and the fine print taketh away. "We reserve the right to deny any warranty claim at any time for any reason without prior notice".

Ive been in retail over 20 years with over 5 companies, you take care of the customer. The loss now is NOT as great as the loss later from bad PR. Goodwill goes a LONG way. Separate the cheaters and scumbag ripoffers from the honest customers such as this.

I don't think it's been proven that anyone is wrong, or right so far.

There are 4 parties involved;
the car owner. He did nothing wrong. Except MAYBE absolve his tuner of any wrongdoing.

the tuner, maybe he did, maybe he didn't

the block builder, again, no clear cut evidence they were wrong or right

the piston manufacturer, same scenario as the block builder.

IF, the car owner throws in with the tuner, and absolves him of responsibility he's putting the burden on Livornois and Mahle. As now the tuner has no fault according to the car owner.

The best scenario possible, and seeing as how all 4 involved may hold at least some responsibility, I would think that each participant could throw in 25% of the rebuild cost and everyone could walk away satisfied.

It's like pleading no contest in court. You don't admit to guilt. This way all 4 involved can retain their good reputations and still get the car repaired.

 

[one eyed willy]

And if they do stay in business the cost to all is going to go UP to pay for the warr claims. Who caused the damage should pay.

i agree,this probably happens alot more than we know,could you imagine if they were giving all this money back each time something went wrong.i think livernois has proven more than once they have good customer service and help people out,not sure why this one incident would change all that all of a sudden.

the piston broke,so that only leaves a couple ways to look at this.

1)tunning?bad choise to use the pump gas?
2)defect in the piston?
3)improper assembly of the engine (specs not checked)?

now it should not be too hard to figure out if "3" was the issue by measuring out the cylinders. so that would leave the top 2, who else has melted one of these pistons?

 

[TurboPete]

Wow , this has been a long read for me to get all the info as to what the hell is going on. Im just going to say what I think the problem was , and I have to say I agree with ChevyKiller.
I have run as much as 17 psi's on a bone stock motor and the only way it stayed together was b/c of GOOD FUEL, and conservative timing.
9:7:1 and 18 psi's is a bad combination on pump gas , by the way how much timing was in that combo , didn't read that anywhere.
I would not run high boost and pump gas period , when we were tuning my car recently we were being very carefull with my boost controller situation so we had the timing as low as 15* just to be carefull in case of a boost spike which it did. . My engine is 8.7.1 and at 21 psi's on a mix of c16 and pump gas car made over 700 rwhp.
If I would have been on pump gas only and more timing lets say the typical 18* I would have probably hurt the motor as well.
That piston definately looks like it fell apart due to detenation, there is noway 18 psi's on pump gas and 9.7.1 will live , Im curious how much timing was in the tune.
You can build what ever motor you want with the best parts but if it detonates it will break things I dont care what parts are in it.
I just dont understand why people push the pump gas issue , money is hard to come by especially now a days , why not use c16 and call it a day you will not detonate , just good insurance in my opinion.

Pete

 

[Steedman07]

MY buddy just tuned this..

The motor is a 302 Stroker, Comp Cams "Big Mutha Thumpa's" with a KB 2.6 pushing 20psi on PUMP GAS, Boost-a-Spark, Boost-a-Pump, Ford GT pumps, and all the supporting mods to go with it. It made 604 whp on a very modest Mustang Dyno..8.7:1 compression ratio, and according to him(tuner), nice clean runs on the dyno, with not a hint of trouble..

I am assuming its safe at 20 psi because of the compression ratio???

 

[ChevyKiller]

MY buddy just tuned this..

The motor is a 302 Stroker, Comp Cams "Big Mutha Thumpa's" with a KB 2.6 pushing 20psi on PUMP GAS, Boost-a-Spark, Boost-a-Pump, Ford GT pumps, and all the supporting mods to go with it. It made 604 whp on a very modest Mustang Dyno..8.7:1 compression ratio, and according to him(tuner), nice clean runs on the dyno, with not a hint of trouble..

I am assuming its safe at 20 psi because of the compression ratio???

Big difference between 8.7:1 and 9.7:1 with 20 psi...

 

[psfracer]

Plus, don't forget the timing. He could be running 13 degrees at WOT, and the other may have used 16 or 18, etc. Its about the timing, octane, and amount of boost, along with the compression of the motor.