Fuel's Winter Project: Build It Before It Blows

[JoshK]

I looked and can't seem to find them Bruce

 

[JeremyH]

You might want to check again. I know they are available from fuelinjectorconnection.com and have been for a few years.

Edit: They aren't carrying them anymore.

Yeah I just checked my dealer and they aren't there. The 1600 and 2000 are phasing them out it seems.

 

[JoshK]

I can't find crap on fuel injector connection.com. maybe I am fuel injector shopping illiterate

 

[BruceH]

They aren't there anymore. It does look like the 1600cc have replaced them Jeremy. They also have the bosch/asnu on there now. That's an interesting new injector.

 

[BruceH]

I can't find crap on fuel injector connection.com. maybe I am fuel injector shopping illiterate

Some are listed under lsx. Most of the Bosch are under "High Performance Bosch". I'm sure Jeremy can beat the prices pretty easily.

 

[JeremyH]

I've been looking into getting an ASNU flow bench and cleaner. But they are made out of gold lol. I would love to be able to flow match and clean injectors myself.

 

[weather man]

If your interested.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?1038100-ID1300-injectors-FS

 

[JoshK]

Well the fuel system was just paid for and I also just sold my turbo. Time to get serious again

 

[jodadejss06gt]

Woooohooooo! Gotta give love to my 3v brother turning wrenches and making shit happen especially with RJ pooping on everyone's parade.

Damn I can't believe those things are that expensive. My 1000's were only like 8-900 if I remember correctly. Are you going to get the same turbo as me or go with the Comp 76?

 

[JoshK]

You really trust that stock crank that much?

I am considering adding a forged crank this winter

 

[JeremyH]

Well the fuel system was just paid for and I also just sold my turbo. Time to get serious again

Oh snap!

 

[JeremyH]

I am considering adding a forged crank this winter

My best recommendation, add billet oil pump gears or an ATI super damper before that, Preferable both. Adding the ATI damper eases my mind quite a bit at my power level on the stock crank.

 

[go302]

I would never build a serious modular motor without a forged crank. Sooner or later you're gonna want more and in the end you find out you should have done it in the first place. Who knows exactly how stout the stock crank is? But finding out definitely isn't worth an entire engine.

 

[JeremyH]

I had a 01 cobra forged crank I was going to use and thought my my cast steel crank was beefier minus the two center counterbalances so I sold the forged steel one and kept the cast steel one. Anyone ever see a steel crank be it cast or forged actually fail and cause damage? Last cranks I knew to regulary fail were the nodular iron cranks from back in the day. I would expect a manley h beam rod to go first they are only rated to 700hp and take all the load.

 

[BruceH]

I would never build a serious modular motor without a forged crank. Sooner or later you're gonna want more and in the end you find out you should have done it in the first place. Who knows exactly how stout the stock crank is? But finding out definitely isn't worth an entire engine.

That's it. Forged cranks have broken, nobody has broken a stock crank. It's lighter and very strong.

I'd guess that if you are pushing enough power to break a stock crank then you had better have I beam Manley or Oliver rods and L19 rod bolts along with oringed heads.

We all have things that we think are more important with mod motors. The only thing that consistently goes are the rods. They don't usually spin bearings unless the machining is messed up, don't stretch head bolts, the crank doesn't walk, blocks don't break except for the coyote, even the stock pistons don't usually break because a stock rod will go first.

After the rods it's drivetrain issues. Specifically the input shaft of a 3650 or third gear. The driveshaft seems to hold up, axles are stout, lsd works just fine with power, even the wheel studs don't snap.

Back to the subject you are in good company because many people think that a forged crank is mandatory in any build. I've said this before, Ford uses quality components and a mod motor needs to be compared to other mod motors when doing a build because comparing it to what needs attention with say an LS motor is only going to show where GM cheaps out.

BTW I do have a forged crank fs, lol.

 

[JoshK]

Well that was the crank I was referring to Bruce, but this discussion is getting my gears turning. I don;'t know what to do. Call me crazy, but when I set a goal I go for it and my current goal is 1000whp.

 

[go302]

I'm just in the boat that if Ford thinks a 390 hp termi, 500 hp gt500/ford gt, and 4xx hp boss needs a forged crank then my 850 whp car probably needs one as well. I know they have to provide a warranty but still. manley h beams are seeing 1000 all day with arp2000 bolts as long as you're not grenading the motor.

edit: or revving it like a maniac. 7000 rpm is where I'm spinning to.

 

[go302]

Please do not shoot for 1000 whp on a cast crank. The reason you haven't seen one fail is because people that spend big bucks on 1000 hp cars don't use a stock crank.

 

[BruceH]

I'm just in the boat that if Ford thinks a 390 hp termi, 500 hp gt500/ford gt, and 4xx hp boss needs a forged crank then my 850 whp car probably needs one as well. I know they have to provide a warranty but still. manley h beams are seeing 1000 all day with arp2000 bolts as long as you're not grenading the motor.

edit: or revving it like a maniac. 7000 rpm is where I'm spinning to.

The GT500 crank doesn't have center counter weights just like the stock 4.6.

I can only tell you what I've done. I can also tell you that a 700rwhp motor isn't as easy as it seems when you read about them. Seems that everyone and their brother has or wants to build a 1000rwhp motor and they talk about it like it's nothing.

I only spin to a little over 7k. Have bounced off the limiter many times because the motors rev so fast.

Maybe you need a billet crank, lol? Ford also put forged cranks in stock 5.4 motors and Cobras making a little over 300hp.

 

[go302]

The GT500 crank doesn't have center counter weights just like the stock 4.6.

I can only tell you what I've done. I can also tell you that a 700rwhp motor isn't as easy as it seems when you read about them. Seems that everyone and their brother has or wants to build a 1000rwhp motor and they talk about it like it's nothing.

I only spin to a little over 7k. Have bounced off the limiter many times because the motors rev so fast.

Maybe you need a billet crank, lol? Ford also put forged cranks in stock 5.4 motors and Cobras making a little over 300hp.

a billet crank would be nice! I was making a tad over 600 on 11 psi with my old on 3 setup so I have no doubt I should easily make 800 wheel on the new kit. But honestly, Bruce, you can't in good conscience tell Josh that a cast crank ould be ok for 1000 hp.