Gen 3 coyote swapping my 2012 V6

[RedS197V6]

My 2012 V6 is having major engine issues and every place I go says I need a new motor and it will almost be $10,000. I've wanted a V8 for a while but I love this car and it was my first car. What do I need to swap to a gen 3 and what are things to consider, other than price. The Mt-82 works great and I think I want to wait on swapping that out, but what else will I need to do the swap?

 

[lwarrior1016]

Why a gen 3?

I’m all about coyote swapping, but swapping a gen 1 in this car is much easier and everything still functions like stock. Gen 1 engines are plenty strong and make great power. My gen 1 engine made 436 rwhp.

 

[RedS197V6]

That's what I was thinking at first but I can't find any crate engines for sale, the don't make them anymore. Any good places to buy from online?

 

[lwarrior1016]

Unfortunately no, I don’t have a good source. Any particular reason for wanting a crate engine opposed to a good used or rebuilt engine?

 

[RedS197V6]

I honestly don't have a good reason, I'm still learning about all of this and trying to figure out what I'm going to do, I'll look into rebuilt engines though.

 

[Dino Dino Bambino]

My 2012 V6 is having major engine issues and every place I go says I need a new motor and it will almost be $10,000. I've wanted a V8 for a while but I love this car and it was my first car. What do I need to swap to a gen 3 and what are things to consider, other than price. The Mt-82 works great and I think I want to wait on swapping that out, but what else will I need to do the swap?

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1. You'll need an 11-14 GT ECU, engine harness, and instrument cluster. The ECU would need to be reprogrammed with the PATS disabled in order to prevent a no start situation, and with your VIN to make it road legal.

2. Forget about getting either a new or used Gen 3 long block. If you use an 11-14 GT ECU, your engine will need Gen 1 camshafts/timing components and either Gen 1 or Gen 2 (better) heads. Gen 3 heads are no good to you because they're designed for both direct and port injection. Therefore the only Gen 3 engine component you'll need is the short block. You'd then be doing what's dubbed either a 3-1-1 or 3-2-1 Coyote swap.

3. You could also bolt LT headers and a Gen 3 intake manifold onto your "Frankenstein" long block before lowering it into the engine bay. Your ECU would then need to be custom tuned but you'd need that anyway.

4. If you're dead set on a full Gen 3 Coyote engine swap anyway and live in a state that doesn't have Gestapo-like emissions inspections, you could opt to use the Ford Performance Control Pack appropriate for your engine and transmission.

My gen 1 engine made 436 rwhp.

Do you have the dyno sheet? What mods did it have?

 

[Gladams]

V8 is longer than V6, so a driveshaft would be needed. Good luck with your project.

 

[lwarrior1016]

1. You'll need an 11-14 GT ECU, engine harness, and instrument cluster. The ECU would need to be reprogrammed with the PATS disabled in order to prevent a no start situation, and with your VIN to make it road legal.

2. Forget about getting either a new or used Gen 3 long block. If you use an 11-14 GT ECU, your engine will need Gen 1 camshafts/timing components and either Gen 1 or Gen 2 (better) heads. Gen 3 heads are no good to you because they're designed for both direct and port injection. Therefore the only Gen 3 engine component you'll need is the short block. You'd then be doing what's dubbed either a 3-1-1 or 3-2-1 Coyote swap.

3. You could also bolt LT headers and a Gen 3 intake manifold onto your "Frankenstein" long block before lowering it into the engine bay. Your ECU would then need to be custom tuned but you'd need that anyway.

4. If you're dead set on a full Gen 3 Coyote engine swap anyway and live in a state that doesn't have Gestapo-like emissions inspections, you could opt to use the Ford Performance Control Pack appropriate for your engine and transmission.



Do you have the dyno sheet? What mods did it have?

I will try to find it. I’ve got the print out somewhere. It was a gen 1 truck engine, with mustang cams, gen 3 intake manifold, and long tube headers. Through a t45 transmission and 4.10 gears.

I just read through my SN95 forums thread and read that this was through my home made long tubes. When I first did the swap, I used a set of speed daddy eBay long tubes for the 2v. I cut the head flange off the headers and welded the coyote flange on them. They fit really well, and made great power.

 

[lwarrior1016]