MindIfISmoke's? Built Part 3.

[Mystickeith50]

I'm a little confused on this whole thing....actually I was just trying to keep my mouth shut so I didn't get flamed. Matt I don't know you, and I'm sure your a great guy and you certainly have a great car, but I was a little thrown off by the whole charity thing with this engine when it went and that you accepted the charity.....now I certainly know you didn't ask for it, but in this economy it's a joke to take collections for someones motor, and again I stress I know u didn't ask for it. It's not like he was having trouble feeding his kids, which is a real life problem, he was having trouble keeping a motor running 16+psi together. I commend anyone and everyone who donated because that was above and beyond. And Marc, u are a saint and should be applauded for your efforts. But where I'm most confused, is after the donation gift, there is now another motor being built? Where the fuck are these motors coming from lol? Oh well flame on. I'm not trying to be a dick, but if I was u I would end this thread at this point cause it's insulting.

 

[JeremyH]

What so hard to understand about fellow gear heads helping someone out that had really bad luck? I helped with a rebuild donation so what exactly is your point? And why the fuck is this even an issue, why do you think you are you any position to give advice and to be upset, besides being jealous? Whats insulting?

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

 

[Mystickeith50]

I think you are failing to see the point, I commended u for donating. What I think is wrong is that this build was supposedly his last straw financially. It lasted a day or so, and now another one is already in the works? Plus there is a lot a insinuating that Marc fucked up somehow. U don't see anything a little bit wrong with this? I have followed all the mind if I smoke threads and have enjoyed them. But this is how I see them...I blew up....rebuilt and blew up again and now have no money help....thanks for the help and new engine guys.......blew up again street racing....now I'm building again when I had no resources last time? Jeremy maybe I'm a fucking dick, I guess, but like I said I think at this point It is a little insulting to people like u who donated. Flame on.

 

[JeremyH]

Yeah I dont even remotely see your point. Matter of fact id be glad to donate again as I would for anyone on this forum. Tough luck if you have some emotional repsonse to issues that dont even concern you. If you havent seen the classifieds he is selling alot of his mods and other stuff to get his car back running again. Would you rather him just leave it broke and just let him feel sorry for himself and not let people offer advice or possible reasons to the failure and reccomnedations for the new build?

 

[Greg Hazlett]

^^ I understand your point and agree; Jeremy and I talked about this earlier and we don't agree, my thinking was along the same lines as yours, if I had to rely on donations to get my car up and running the last thing I would do is street race a camaro.

I thought about donating, glad I didn't, nothing personal toward anyone, perhaps this is a life lesson the OP needs to learn.

 

[Greg Hazlett]

Yeah I dont even remotely see your point. Matter of fact id be glad to donate again as I would for anyone on this forum. Tough luck if you have some emotional repsonse to issues that dont even concern you. If you havent seen the classifieds he is selling alot of his mods and other stuff to get his car back running again. Would you rather him just leave it broke and just let him feel sorry for himself and not let people offer advice or possible reasons to the failure and reccomnedations for the new build?

There is a difference between people talking about what might have gone wrong/offering advice and the OP blowing up another motor that was at least partially paid for by forum members and Marc S dontaing his time and probably some parts.

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

Can't we all just celebrate his beating the crap out of the Camaro???? lol

 

[Mystickeith50]

Jeremy I'm not gonna argue...you're a great guy, and I'm sure Matt is to. I guess I was more throw off by how how cavalier the last few pages were and how it seemed....oh never mind fuck it.

 

[JeremyH]

I commend him for trying to remain calm and not trying to flame and place blame on others which alot of guys do. The peanut gallery will always come in and make their own comments and thoughts about the situation, hence marc coming in and defending himself which says alot for him and he was entitled to do so, but its not a reason to end the thread or get bent out of shape because he's trying to get it fixed again quickly imho. Like you said the donation thing was put together by a third party to offer help against his request, not sure why this is even an issue?

A properly built engine with safe power level and tune is designed to be run hard otherwise why spend the money? Shit happens some have worse luck than others. I got on my car hard immediately after coming off the dyno everytime, it could have just as easily happened to me or anyone. Hopefully some flaws or potential weak spots in his build have been identified and will be corrected in the future.

 

[rford426]

I've seen my boost controller raise higher on the street than on the dyno. I run my controller lower than what I was tuned for just to keep the numbers down. I also had more time to play around with mine than going straight to the track, so I knew that. My over boost shutdown is setup so that I can get a little spike and it won't shutdown, but more than 2psi over my tune, it reverts back to wastegate spring pressure so I don't go boom.

Matt interested to see what this new block will do. I'm truely jealous. When I do a built block, I'll be going with something similar to what you are about to put in it. When are you going to divulge the specs?

This is what im saying shit happens thats why id rather drive my shit around for awhile and make sure nothing is out of whack and everything is good before you go racing and beating the shit out of the car...Especially after the amount of failures Matt has already had I would have taken my sweet ass time and made sure it was all 100%...shit I would have waited the 6-8 weeks for the correct pistons...Just can't believe he hasn't got a week out of any of his built motors...


I see where Mystickeith is coming from 100% and feeel the EXACT same way!!!!!! I have just been biting my tongue the entire time...Its not like it was a freak failure he couldn't control he didn't turn off the TCS and melted his shit...There has been many ppl with failures from god knows what out of there control either shop negligence or some freak off the wall failure not something that could have been directly avoided like not turning off the TCS and laying in it and they didnt get any help at all hell...I applaud ppl who donated and that what makes this place great but now look where all those donations are...A big pile of metal and hes back to square one...He obviously had the money for that failure if he is able to be already re-building...Let alone talking about all the upgrades he was planning on and how much shit he had to sale to get the upgrades (instead of maybe paying some of the donations back) I know its none of our buisiness and that why I have stayed out of it this far but I see exactly what mystickeith is talking bout and feel the same way its kinds like hes just getting greedy at this point...JMO

 

[Mystickeith50]

Jeremy I see ur point, and I really didn't mean for the thread to be ended. We can agree to disagree. I do hope he gets up and running again....opposed to what u may think of me Jeremy I don't wish bad fortune on anyone, especially on here.

 

[JeremyH]

This is what im saying shit happens thats why id rather drive my shit around for awhile and make sure nothing is out of whack and everything is good before you go racing and beating the shit out of the car...Especially after the amount of failures Matt has already had I would have taken my sweet ass time and made sure it was all 100%...shit I would have waited the 6-8 weeks for the correct pistons...Just can't believe he hasn't got a week out of any of his built motors...

It its gonna fail, its gonna fail, regradless if you go wot 2 minutes after the dyno or try to baby it for 2 months first. Id rather find the problem right away then get a false sense of security with it. You want heat and rpm to break the engine in and seat the rings. This would have just as easily happened if he had waited some commonly made up or thought of "safe" wait time before getting on it.

 

[rford426]

I commend him for trying to remain calm and not trying to flame and place blame on others which alot of guys do. The peanut gallery will always come in and make their own comments and thoughts about the situation, hence marc coming in and defending himself which says alot for him and he was entitled to do so, but its not a reason to end the thread or get bent out of shape because he's trying to get it fixed again quickly imho. Like you said the donation thing was put together by a third party to offer help against his request, not sure why this is even an issue?

A properly built engine with safe power level and tune is designed to be run hard otherwise why spend the money? Shit happens some have worse luck than others. I got on my car hard immediately after coming off the dyno everytime, it could have just as easily happened to me or anyone. Hopefully some flaws or potential weak spots in his build have been identified and will be corrected in the future.

I think he needs to slow it down and quit worrying about how quick it gets done and get it done right so he doesn't fuck up another motor!~

 

[JeremyH]

I see ur point, and I really didn't mean for the thread to be ended. We can agree to disagree. I do hope he gets up and running again....opposed to what u may think of me Jeremy I don't wish bad fortune on anyone, especially on here.

No worries man everyone is entitled to their opinion, doesnt make mine any more right than yours, I wouldnt think anymore or less of you because we have different views on a topic.

I think he needs to slow it down and quit worrying about how quick it gets done and get it done right so he doesn't fuck up another motor!~

So you think the speed at which he got the engine rebuilt played a part in the failure? I know if it happened to me I would want my car back up and running as quick as possible and yes after leaving the dyno I would be going wot and getting a feel for the car. I guess I just dont see your point in thinking the speed at which he was able to get the motor rebuilt had anything to do with the motor failing again unless there was an error in the build which I highly doubt.

 

[rford426]

It its gonna fail, its gonna fail, regradless if you go wot 2 minutes after the dyno or try to baby it for 2 months first. Id rather find the problem right away then get a false sense of security with it. You want heat and rpm to break the engine in and seat the rings. This would have just as easily happened if he had waited some commonly made up or thought of "safe" wait time before getting on it.

To a extent yes...but no one even knows what the issue that cause all this is...Datalogging could have pinpointed a issue instead of going out and street racing it and just melting a piston to find out where there was a issue ...Just my 2 cents with as much money that was tied up in this build I don't see the logic...Regardless he obviously had the money for the first motor if he has it for the 3rd one...JMO not trying to start a pissing match

So you think the speed at which he got the engine rebuilt played a part in the failure? I know if it happened to me I would want my car back up and running as quick as possible and yes after leaving the dyno I would be going wot and getting a feel for the car. I guess I just dont see your point in thinking the speed at which he was able to get the motor rebuilt had anything to do with the motor failing again unless there was an error in the build which I highly doubt.

Marc said he didin't want to wait 6-8 weeks for the correct custom pistons...And Marc informed him of the extremly high cylinder pressure yet he still goes out and beats on the car instead of degreeing the stock cams as suggested...its pretty obvious the car was not in the best shape for what he was wanting out of it...Im not gonna waste my motor for some street cred I would have backed the boost down and enjoyed the car until i could get the cams degreed and head studs (like me im only running low boost until I get studs) rather than pulling out a boat anchor and starting over.!

 

[BruceH]

I was going to wait for Matt to clear this but I think he's probably stuck on I-5 south right now.

A local guy had a built 3v motor he has been trying to sell for awhile. If you will pardon the dated terminology from my youth I would say the motor has been "fronted" to Matt. The offer was just put in front of him recently so it wasn't an option before.

 

[JeremyH]

To a extent yes...but no one even knows what the issue that cause all this is...Datalogging could have pinpointed a issue instead of going out and street racing it and just melting a piston to find out where there was a issue ...Just my 2 cents with as much money that was tied up in this build I don't see the logic...Regardless he obviously had the money for the first motor if he has it for the 3rd one...JMO not trying to start a pissing match

Mark said he didin't want to wait 6-8 weeks for the correct custom pistons...And Marc informed him of the extremly high cylinder pressure yet he still goes out and beats on the car...Im not gonna waste my motor for some street cred I would have backed the boost down and enjoyed the car rather than pulling out a boat anchor and starting over.!

Good points, i personal dont sit and datalog anything on my car, a car tuned on the dyno should be ready to go. ( besides adding 3-5% fuel when coming off the dyno for a turbo car due to real load first simulated load)

He went with he same piston he had before while lowering the compression to mitigate risk. Heinsight is 20/20 we would all feel stupid if he decided to go with 2618 pistons last build and this still happened. Some lessons are learned the hard way unfortunately. Not everone is overly cautious. I know you are since you have yet to turn the boost up on that badass setup you built rford! lol

 

[rford426]

Good points, i personal dont sit and datalog anything on my car, a car tuned on the dyno should be ready go. ( besides adding 3-5% fuel when coming off the dyno for a turbo car due to real load first simulated load)

He went with he same piston he had before while lowering the compression to mitigate risk. Heinsight is 20/20 we would all feel stupid if he decided to go with 2618 pistons last build and this still happened. Some lessons are learned the hard way unfortunately. Not everone is overly cautious. I know you are since you have yet to turn the boost up on that badass setup you built rford! lol

Lol I know I'm overly cautious I was just messaging with Matt on what Marc had to say about his boost level with the TTY bolts the day or so before all of this and was preparing to turn it up to 15psi and let her eat but not any more lol I'll wait for my studs then turn it up!!!

 

[JeremyH]

I went with arp head studs as well but alot of guys swear the tty stock bolts are fine still.