One More #8 Kids!

[muztangman93]

It is an obvious issue from day one. Sounds like a recall should be in order to me on all the 5.0s If you want to buy a car and never go wot then get a gas saver. You cant blame the person for buying a muscle car and heaven forbid going wot every now and again. Isnt that why we buy these cars and mod the shit out of them? Its a ford issue. I am glad that when I went to trade in on one I changed my mind in the parking lot because of knowing it would cost thousands to make it look as good as mine but apparently thousands more for a new engine every year.

 

[19COBRA93]

It is an obvious issue from day one. Sounds like a recall should be in order to me on all the 5.0s If you want to buy a car and never go wot then get a gas saver. You cant blame the person for buying a muscle car and heaven forbid going wot every now and again. Isnt that why we buy these cars and mod the shit out of them? Its a ford issue. I am glad that when I went to trade in on one I changed my mind in the parking lot because of knowing it would cost thousands to make it look as good as mine but apparently thousands more for a new engine every year.

A recall? LOL. Yeah, Ford is going to pay to fix what exactly? Failures on aftermarket tunes and Ford is going to foot the bill... Right.

 

[Grabber]

Recall? LOL

Spend hundreds of millions of dollars recalling all 2011 and 2012 cars and fixing them?

Not a very realistic idea there.

It's in the tune, plain and simple.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Isnt it possible that Ford has put the stock car engine failures on the hush hush so that they can blame aftermarket tunes and void warranties. Companies in general are not out to give money away, why would Ford be any different?

 

[19COBRA93]

Isnt it possible that Ford has put the stock car engine failures on the hush hush so that they can blame aftermarket tunes and void warranties. Companies in general are not out to give money away, why would Ford be any different?

If that were the case, there would be thread after thread of people with bone stock cars having problems. The fact is, stock cars just aren't failing. There's nothing to cover up. Ford's being proactive about this because they KNOW it's not their issue to fix. You're right, they're not in the business to give money away. And fixing cars blown up from aftermarket tunes would be giving money away.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

The FRPP tune is supposed to be fairly mild, what caused that engine to fail?

 

[assasinator]

i believe a subpoena would find out how many stock cars have blown up. there could be 0-100-500-1000 with failures we will never hear about on a message board.


im beginning to believe its happening no matter what is or is not done to the car.


not only have i pulled a bunch of timing out of the tune, but i just dont drive it hard at all now. i never know when heat buildup will blow it.


thank god i built a real motor like ford never did so i can have fun driving again.

 

[Ivan 5.0]

If you want to buy a car and never go wot then get a gas saver. You cant blame the person for buying a muscle car and heaven forbid going wot every now and again.

Ya... I haven't WOT'd my car in over a month because of the #8 issues... laaame...

 

[assasinator]

im going to end up pulling this motor out and forging it so i can relax. shoulda got the CTS-v.

 

[ZLLJ]

i believe a subpoena would find out how many stock cars have blown up. there could be 0-100-500-1000 with failures we will never hear about on a message board.


im beginning to believe its happening no matter what is or is not done to the car.


not only have i pulled a bunch of timing out of the tune, but i just dont drive it hard at all now. i never know when heat buildup will blow it.

Not a single person has said first hand that they lost #8 with a stock tune on any of the major forums(well besides the guy that was caught lying).

What is making you begin to believe this? Obviously not everyone that has problems posts, but come on, even the random person that had her Mustang burn down made an account to post about it.

I'm not saying it can't, or hasn't, happened.

 

[19COBRA93]

The FRPP tune is supposed to be fairly mild, what caused that engine to fail?

It was a real early one, at that time I'll bet even FRPP had no idea how sensitive these were. They're not infallible. There's not been one fail since.

i believe a subpoena would find out how many stock cars have blown up. there could be 0-100-500-1000 with failures we will never hear about on a message board.


im beginning to believe its happening no matter what is or is not done to the car.

Absolutely you'd hear about it on a message board. If someone bought a $35,000 car and it melted a piston bone stock, they're going to make a big deal about it I promise. Instead, it's just not happening.

 

[Fallenauthority]

I have yet to have seen one stock 5.0 that dropped #8, please site your sources with some evidence. And its not a shock your FI car hasn't popped, you're dumping fuel in it and drawing back timing. Not the case with the n/a cars that have been having these issues.

This is actually the 3rd customer who has contacted us about this issue. 3rd customer in the last year and of those 3 we have probably sent out atleast 500-600 2011 5.0 tunes. The first customer of ours who blew a number 8 the Ford engineer covered it under warranty due to an oil squirter failing, the second (who i believe is a member on here) broke a rod bearing (split in half) and the third customer is this customer who you are reading about and the car hasnt been to the dealer to diagnose the issue. We have also heard of long tube headers causing this issue as well, which i find it very hard to believe, but again there are no facts, just speculation. The funny thing is that everyone is blaming the tune, but this is an ongoing issue (according to our local ford dealer) on the FORD tech forums and there is a lot of finger pointing going on. You all are just hearing about cars with tunes having these #8 issues on forums, but if you look at the facts 90% of the 5.0 customers on forums have their cars modified and are running tunes. These issues are happening on FRPP tunes as well as 100% stock cars, so its very hard to place the blame on the tune. All of the cars that we have heard about having this issue have been EARLY production cars, but who's to say that has anything to do with it, because we dont know the facts and probably never will. We have been running our most aggressive Race tune (more aggressive than we send out to customers) on our 2011 test car for the last 16k miles (on 93 pump gas) and have raced it at nearly all NMRA events and definitely a LOT of spirited driving and abuse (naturally aspirated and with over 600rwhp to the wheels with a Vortech). We also have 2 other 2011-2012 in house test cars with ZERO issues as well. Ford's OEM calibration has parameters in place to protect the engine and we DO NOT remove these calibrations or alter the parameters. If anyone has any concerns or questions feel free to call me anytime. I can be reached directly at 574.594.9559 ext 3.

Thanks,
Chandler

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

Absolutely you'd hear about it on a message board. If someone bought a $35,000 car and it melted a piston bone stock, they're going to make a big deal about it I promise. Instead, it's just not happening.

Thats not completely true. There are several people who just have them as a DD and never intend to mod them. I see women drive them all over down here and how many women are there on the forums?

 

[rford426]

We need a thread of stock 5.0s bet there's not to many on the boards....c'mon now were on here to mod these cars

 

[Jarrod@latemodelresto]

Im going to drive mine on the ragged edge while its bone stock. Im going to see how well #8 holds up on a stock car.

Knock on wood, all 6 of our cars with BBR tunes are running perfect.

 

[19COBRA93]

Thats not completely true. There are several people who just have them as a DD and never intend to mod them. I see women drive them all over down here and how many women are there on the forums?

I'm not saying everyone is on the forums. I'm just saying, we'd hear about it. And there are a lot of stock cars on these forums and not a peep from them. Because they're holding up just fine.

 

[tjm73]

I've been reading about this problem a little here and there. Right now I'm glad I bought my '05 last year instead of an '11 GT. But I digress...

I'm wondering if forged pistons solves this problem? Had Ford just ponied up the cash and put good rods and pistons in every engine and charged an appropriate amount more, I tend to think none f this would have ever happened.

Three things Ford should do and charge more for and none of them would stop a guy from buying a 5.0...

1.) Dump that wimpy 6 speed stick and put a TR6060 in every 5.0 stick car. The issue is not where it's made. It's the torque capacity of the transmission. The tranny is rated lower than the factory rates the engine output. Hello..??? You don't put a tranny rated for 375 ft-lbs behind an engine rated at 390 ft-lbs.

2.) Put an oil cooler on these cars. In the 5.0 Mustangs article when the engine came out the engineers said it should have one. I think they know what they are talking about. The oil is acting as a lubricant AND a cooling agent by spraying the pistons.

3.) Put forged rods and pistons in these things already.

 

[Grabber]

Thats not completely true. There are several people who just have them as a DD and never intend to mod them. I see women drive them all over down here and how many women are there on the forums?

What he was getting at was if someone just bought the car, and it broke down, come to find it was a melted piston, people would make a mess out of it. Think about it. A bone stock brand new car fails, and the person driving it was your average every day driver. Wouldn't you search your ass of on the internet for help, go to Ford, etc.? I know I would in a heart beat.


To this day, not one person out of the many people that have posted failures on their cars were stock. All had some type of mod, most of which were a custom tune, except for the guy that lied about his mods. Other than that, not one person has ever mentioned "My stock 2011 broke down"

 

[jsnyng]

I don't mean to ask a semi off topic question, but I've asked it in other threads with no response. Have any of the reported #8 problems been on automatic cars or is it just manuals? I'm curious if the auto keeping those of us who have them out of the high RPM ranges except when at WOT is helping save us from having the dreaded #8 problem.

 

[linnE]

do you think these failures are more of an issue with the Coyote than any other new Ford platform introducted in the past?

I'd really like to see more facts than all the speculation that is rampant on the internet..Id like to see a database of facts so that a common denominator can be established