One More #8 Kids!

[wbt]

But most guys don't even know the right questions to ask to make sure the tuner is giving them what they need. Hell if a lot of the tuners don't even know what they are doing how is the end user supposed to know what they need. Unfortunately you have to put a lot of blind faith in these tuners and hope you are not the next testbed.

That is what these message boards are here for. Asking the community and gathering feedback before making a decision goes a long way.

 

[DIB5.0]

Thats why i said most of these tunes now will be dead even in the power range. THey all will be doing the same thing. Yes for an auto shift points will be different, throttle response will be different, POT will be different.
From the start both Justin and Eric said look for about 10 rwhp from a tune and maybe another 10 with a CAI. Looks like they were right.

 

[S197 GT]

Thats why i said most of these tunes now will be dead even in the power range. THey all will be doing the same thing. Yes for an auto shift points will be different, throttle response will be different, POT will be different.
From the start both Justin and Eric said look for about 10 rwhp from a tune and maybe another 10 with a CAI. Looks like they were right.

You've already shown the limits if your knowledge about these cars, tuning, and general automotive knowledge.

You are talking out of your ass.

You've been blasting every forum with anything and everything regarding "ghost cams" and now you're doing the same thing with "#8 issues".

Give it a fucking rest, you're not spreading information, your spreading confusion!

Jesus Christ give it a rest already!

 

[kdanner]

Give it a fucking rest, you're not spreading information, your spreading confusion!

He's got some sort of agenda, collecting tunes. He contacted me trying to get one, and listed off the SEVEN different people he had already bought tunes from. Four other people confirmed that he tried to get tunes from them, one even in Venezuela! Those are just the people I know, there are bound to be more.

He complained to one guy about his Lund tune, and I quote: "The only thing with Jon's the way he has it set up with street tires you are side ways at WOT." Then turned around and asked the same guy: "Can you make more power than these guys with a tune?" So one tune makes too much power and he complains the car is sideways, but yet wants this guy to make more power. Anyone who collects all of these tunes and makes comments like that is surely up to something, not to be trusted. What a piece of work.

 

[S197 GT]

He's a dipshit. He's spreading his "gospel" all over.

 

[chad05gt]

The 5.0 guys didn't read the fine print when purchasing to meet global warming and the greenhouse effect.

It plainly states:

Page 4: Second paragraph:

To save fuel, the car will drop a cylinder............literally.



LOL!!!! 3V FTW!!!

Wait, you obviously didnt get an early 05 3v... 1st generation anything is a bad idea... struts, cpu's, phasers, phasers, phasers, cpu, etc...

1st generation, say No, NO, NO!

 

[BAKnBLK2010]

He's a dipshit. He's spreading his "gospel" all over.

He has PM'd me twice once asking what I thought about my Lund tune and again asking me how to remove the spark plugs from his car. I answered him both times giving him the info he was looking for and the fucker never even PM'd back saying thank you. He truly is a fucktard.

 

[tbi0904]

Thats why i said most of these tunes now will be dead even in the power range. THey all will be doing the same thing. Yes for an auto shift points will be different, throttle response will be different, POT will be different.
From the start both Justin and Eric said look for about 10 rwhp from a tune and maybe another 10 with a CAI. Looks like they were right.

You're still at it? WTF is your deal? If you're gonna continue to troll do us all a favor and stick to one Mustang site, preferably not this one.

 

[pacettr]

This is not what I am stating. A lot of people will have a void warranty because of aftermarket calibrations.

So that wouldn't be a stock tune then, would it.

What about the stock #8's you mentioned earlier that blew up? Can you post some info about those?

That's not what we jumped your shit about. You stated there were stock cars with a #8 issue.

19cobra93 and pacettr(i think) confirmed this claim. And you're right, avoidance is the best tactic to keep from having to back up false information.

To be fair, we represent 5 Ford dealers (there are 4 in my group) which is a small sample, but neither of us has seen this issue.

I still dont think there is enough info to make a conclusion. Speculation is rampant and Ford will continue to be secretive and suggestive that it is aftermarket tuning causing it. They want to cause doubt about aftermarket tuning and divert attention from the issue being a design flaw or anything that would lead to a recall.

Says the aftermarket tuner trying to divert attention from the issue being a tune or anything that would lead to fewer customers.


Works both ways.



From the YB thread that someone else posted:

One of the issues specific to number 8 is aftermarket tunes switching from global knock detection to individual knock detection. It's the flip of a switch in the calibration. But the sensors don't hear #8 too well, so there in lies the big part of the issue. Another issue is adding timing in the wrong way in the tuning. Using global adders is not the best way to do it and may tuners are doing this on the 2011 Coyote because it's the easy way to do it. The combination of individual cylinder knock detection combined with large amounts of global timing is what is hurting them

And I'm pretty sure it's actually hurting them at part throttle, not WOT.

 

[Fallenauthority]

So that wouldn't be a stock tune then, would it.







To be fair, we represent 5 Ford dealers (there are 4 in my group) which is a small sample, but neither of us has seen this issue.



Says the aftermarket tuner trying to divert attention from the issue being a tune or anything that would lead to fewer customers.


Works both ways.



From the YB thread that someone else posted:

I didnt see that last post before. Who posted that, because I am intrigued and would like to follow them further with their theory.

 

[pacettr]

I didnt see that last post before. Who posted that, because I am intrigued and would like to follow them further with their theory.

The YB thread I referenced?

Here is a thread I started on another racing forum. I thought some of it was worth taking in while a lot not so much. One guy claims to have personally seen 2 engine failures with stock tune.

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=397063

 

[Fallenauthority]

The YB thread I referenced?

Thank you sir, much appreciated.

 

[pacettr]

Thank you sir, much appreciated.

 

[KonaGT]

It was Ken Bjonnes who said that, who I believe is the Ford tuning guy for Diablosport.

 

[05mustang_TT_charged]

We have 2 at our local dealership right now with the #8 problem.

1 was scanned and failed due to having an aftermarket tune on it. This car was also driven around for a week after flashing it back to stock and the computer scan showed it as having had a tune. Ford cancelled the warranty for the motor and the guy it coming out of pocket to put a new motor in it.

The other car was scanned and it was sent to Ford and they ok'ed the car as being 100% stock. That cars new motor should be here in a week or two paid for by Ford.

They hooked up the IADS (I believe that was the acronym) and Ford Tech gave them a code to enter on the computer. It pulled a binary code off the computer and emailed it to the Ford Engineer. 1 car failed as having had a tune and the other did not.

 

[kdanner]

We have 2 at our local dealership right now with the #8 problem.

1 was scanned and failed due to having an aftermarket tune on it. This car was also driven around for a week after flashing it back to stock and the computer scan showed it as having had a tune. Ford cancelled the warranty for the motor and the guy it coming out of pocket to put a new motor in it.

The other car was scanned and it was sent to Ford and they ok'ed the car as being 100% stock. That cars new motor should be here in a week or two paid for by Ford.

They hooked up the IADS (I believe that was the acronym) and Ford Tech gave them a code to enter on the computer. It pulled a binary code off the computer and emailed it to the Ford Engineer. 1 car failed as having had a tune and the other did not.

Some questions. Do you work at said dealership? Wondering how you know the car was driven for a week before bringing it in. Also wonder what you're calling "the" #8 problem, as you didn't say anything about either one of these engines being torn down.

 

[linnE]

Says the aftermarket tuner trying to divert attention from the issue being a tune or anything that would lead to fewer customers.


Works both ways.

Your point is taken.

We have had no issues with our 2011 5.0 tuning because Rick took his time getting his tuning ready for market.

There is nothing new about the battle between Ford and aftermarket tuning. It has been around for awhile.

It has not been established what is causing the issue but the seed of doubt that it is aftermarket tuning is already being promoted by Ford.

It has been stated that cars that are stock are having the issue also.

So far nothing has been noted as fact only hearsay and speculation.


As the former owner of a Lincoln Mercury dealership and having to deal with Ford on a daily basis for many years I am aware of the practices they utilize.

As a dealer and as an aftermarket tuning business owner I have expereinced both sides of this tug of war.

 

[pacettr]

Your point is taken.

We have had no issues with our 2011 5.0 tuning because Rick took his time getting his tuning ready for market.

There is nothing new about the battle between Ford and aftermarket tuning. It has been around for awhile.

It has not been established what is causing the issue but the seed of doubt that it is aftermarket tuning is already being promoted by Ford.

It has been stated that cars that are stock are having the issue also.

So far nothing has been noted as fact only hearsay and speculation.


As the former owner of a Lincoln Mercury dealership and having to deal with Ford on a daily basis for many years I am aware of the practices they utilize.

As a dealer and as an aftermarket tuning business owner I have expereinced both sides of this tug of war.

Great post, although there is noted fact of many cars popping #8 with aftermarket tunes; the hearsay is stock cars with the same issue. IF there are any, they are FAR fewer than tuned cars, which points to a car tuned on the edge exploiting the weak point of a part that was engineered for the factory specs/settings, IMO.

 

[gil_t2]

We have 2 at our local dealership right now with the #8 problem.

1 was scanned and failed due to having an aftermarket tune on it. This car was also driven around for a week after flashing it back to stock and the computer scan showed it as having had a tune. Ford cancelled the warranty for the motor and the guy it coming out of pocket to put a new motor in it.

The other car was scanned and it was sent to Ford and they ok'ed the car as being 100% stock. That cars new motor should be here in a week or two paid for by Ford.

They hooked up the IADS (I believe that was the acronym) and Ford Tech gave them a code to enter on the computer. It pulled a binary code off the computer and emailed it to the Ford Engineer. 1 car failed as having had a tune and the other did not.

the car that passed Fords test, as not having a tune. What is the truth!!!!!!!!! Did it have a tune at one time???????? Because if it was totally stock , this is the first confirmed stock #8 that i have seen

 

[wbt]

the car that passed Fords test, as not having a tune. What is the truth!!!!!!!!! Did it have a tune at one time???????? Because if it was totally stock , this is the first confirmed stock #8 that i have seen

Looks like the guy decided to go afk for a response....more typical BS that is spread without data to back it up? We will see.....