The Great Oil Debate

[GrabberBooGT]

Soooooo, I'd really like to hear some cold shift experiences about the MTF, since the MTG seems to be rough. Anyone on here have experience with it?

 

[UWISHU1]

I just shift 1st to 3rd until warmed up. Fuck 2nd gear....

lol that's what I've been doing lately on cold mornings (IL) it crunches into 2nd. So which is the best oil to replaced the factory stuff with??

 

[Napoleon85]

lol that's what I've been doing lately on cold mornings (IL) it crunches into 2nd. So which is the best oil to replaced the factory stuff with??

There are about thirty pages of opinion on that in no less than two threads. Opinions vary, but MTG or MTL are both suitable replacements. Nothing will make this trans shift very well in the cold though IMO.

 

[cgibs89]

lol that's what I've been doing lately on cold mornings (IL) it crunches into 2nd. So which is the best oil to replaced the factory stuff with??

I'm up here in Lakemoor and I put the MTG in with my MGW shifter a few weeks ago. Cold starts are still a whore to shift but when it warms up it's smooth. Honestly, in our environment there really isn't a "be-all-end-all" replacement for the drastic swings in temperature. IMO, just go with MTG and in the cold months deal with not having 2nd and a stiff transmission in the cold. I double clutched to help speed the warming up when it was real cold and I had to take the Mustang.

 

[JDos1]

If you want Amsoil let me know and I'll hook you up at dealer (my) cost.

 

[fake]

The MTG has been silk smooth everyday and it's only 75 degrees outside. This stuff is smoother than the MTL when it's good and warm outside. MTG sucks when it's cold.

 

[JDos1]

The MTG has been silk smooth everyday and it's only 75 degrees outside. This stuff is smoother than the MTL when it's good and warm outside. MTG sucks when it's cold.

+1. I run MTG and LOVE it in warm weather. I have found that the MTG still shifts better than the factory fluid down to about 40-45*'s. I think that these transmissions are going to have issues in the cold, despite what brand you use.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

You are an Amsoil dealer, yet you use OE 5W-20?

Why are you not using signature series in that car?

 

[JDos1]

You are an Amsoil dealer, yet you use OE 5W-20?

Why are you not using signature series in that car?

Amsoil OE series 5w-20...not OE as in Motorcraft.

I'm not looking for an extended drain interval. Amsoil OE Series 5w-20 is good enough for my 5k change interval.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Amsoil OE series 5w-20...not OE as in Motorcraft.

I'm not looking for an extended drain interval. Amsoil OE Series 5w-20 is good enough for my 5k change interval.

You have much to learn my young padawan.

Amsoil OE series 5W-20 is 100% hydrocracked highly refined petroleum. It does not contain any true synthetic base stocks. There is more to true synthetics than simply a longer drain interval.

What are the advantages of a true synthetic base stock and formulation?

1. Higher resistant to shearing (losing it's viscosity to a lighter grade)
2. Higher resistant to base stock oxidation (yes, liquids can rust too) - this is why they say, "This lubricant is good up to X,XXX miles and/or 6 months"
3. Some boutique lubricants like Royal Purple, Amsoil, and Red Line will have higher levels of ZDDP (a major anti-wear additive)
4. Higher detergent additive concentration (TBN) - in most cases, but not always. Diesel HDEO lubricants also have high detergent and ZDDP (even though they can be a group III highly refined petroleum)
5. No impurities in the base stock means uniform molecular structure. Uniform molecules produce less friction, less heat, and more efficiency. 1-3% power and mpg gains are common when all fluids are changed to true synthetics.
6. Far superior cold flow performance (thickens less during temperature drop versus comparable grade dino/conventional)
7. Lower NOACK volatility. Less oil burn off and evaporation will result in less oil coating the inside of your supercharger, intake manifold, and oil catch cans (if one is installed).
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[Napoleon85]

Quick update ... since I've actually be able to drive the car.

MTG doesn't seem to have made much difference in my MT82. I've put about 150 miles on since the swap, and the weather has been pretty ideal. Until the trans warms up I still have crunching into second gear and a bit of grinding into fifth. Temperature has been between 55 and 75 degrees. Once everything warms up it seems to shift slightly better than the stock fluid did, but that may be a placebo effect.

I'm going to drive it around for a few hundred more miles and report back.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

This is information that many of you will require, as some of you are reporting no improvements despite using a superior transmission fluid in your MT-82.

If you waited too long before changing the fluid, i.e. after you started having grinding issues, the damage may already have been done. A superior fluid can't fix damaged internals. This is why I said, you must change the fluid immediately after buying the car. Here is a repair order from a Ford dealer, same transmission, 2012 Boss 302. He is bone headed and would not take mine or his son's advice. He learned the hard way, and the transmission had to be rebuilt under warranty.

 

[Napoleon85]

This is information that many of you will require, as some of you are reporting no improvements despite using a superior transmission fluid in your MT-82.

If you waited too long before changing the fluid, i.e. after you started having grinding issues, the damage may already have been done. A superior fluid can't fix damaged internals. This is why I said, you must change the fluid immediately after buying the car. Here is a repair order from a Ford dealer, same transmission, 2012 Boss 302. He is bone headed and would not take mine or his son's advice. He learned the hard way, and the transmission had to be rebuilt under warranty.

Good info. I wish I had been aware of these issues or had symptoms from the get-go. Unfortunately, all I can do at this point is see if it gets worse. I don't think Ford would do anything but replace my fluid at this point, and tell me that "it's normal."

I see minimal difference between them doing that and it blowing up later, vs leaving the MTG in and it blowing up later. Hopefully it never blows up at all, only time will tell.

 

[Lewis26]

I brought mine in for the cold weather 5th gear grind. They tsb'ed it and then said since they have 2 other cars with the same problem, it's considered normal.

Good thing I got the extended warranty. When it grenades, they can replace it.

 

[Rob72]

Quick update ... since I've actually be able to drive the car.

MTG doesn't seem to have made much difference in my MT82. I've put about 150 miles on since the swap, and the weather has been pretty ideal. Until the trans warms up I still have crunching into second gear and a bit of grinding into fifth. Temperature has been between 55 and 75 degrees. Once everything warms up it seems to shift slightly better than the stock fluid did, but that may be a placebo effect.

I'm going to drive it around for a few hundred more miles and report back.

How many miles are on the odometer?

 

[UnleashedBeast]

I brought mine in for the cold weather 5th gear grind. They tsb'ed it and then said since they have 2 other cars with the same problem, it's considered normal.

The Boss repair I posted above also received the TSB fluid, and made no difference.

Good thing I got the extended warranty. When it grenades, they can replace it.

Never again will I buy an extended warranty. I bought a used 99 Trans Am with 20,000 miles on it and added the extended warranty coverage. The transmission went out and they stuck me with the repair bill. There excuse.....

"The clutch has been replaced before and a chunk blew out the side of the bell housing. This car is abused, warranty void."

The clutch damage was unknown at the time I bought the car, as the damaged bell housing was towards the top, and you couldn't see it until the transmission was dropped. Come to find out, the car had the upgraded 2002 "Z06" style clutch, not the older version. The clutch was NOT replaced by me during my time of ownership.

Summary: The extended warranty was voided on my car for damage that existed before I purchased it.

Never again will I lose money that way. It's fraud.

 

[JDos1]

You have much to learn my young padawan.

It's good enough for my appliacation. Analysis testing still shows that it's superior than other brand "synthetics".

I sell at my cost to help out my Titan and Mustang guys. I'm not in it to make money.

If you waited too long before changing the fluid, i.e. after you started having grinding issues, the damage may already have been done. A superior fluid can't fix damaged internals. This is why I said, you must change the fluid immediately after buying the car. Here is a repair order from a Ford dealer, same transmission, 2012 Boss 302. He is bone headed and would not take mine or his son's advice. He learned the hard way, and the transmission had to be rebuilt under warranty.

Same thing happened with my first MT82.Terrible knotchiness in 1st/2nd/3rd and whined super loud in every gear but 5th. I've actually had people ask me what supercharger I was running. Ended up being 1st/2nd gear synchros and a couple of bearings being shot. They replaced the trans rather than rebuilding.

 

[Napoleon85]

How many miles are on the odometer?

5500 when I changed to MTG, 5700 or so now.

 

[-rpark-]

Torque specs. , tighten till it strips the threads , then back off half a turn .
Ok here it is , Manual Transmission
Fill Plug 26 ft/lbs
Drain Plug 26 ft/lbs

does the plug threads need any pipe dope or teflon tape on them?

 

[JAJ]

No sealants required - just do them up suitably snug and they're good.