The Great Oil Debate

[JAJ]

I have to disagree 100% with that statement. The junk synthetic QS fluid is based on a cheap base 2 stock, or something like that. I would use the word "synthetic" losely when Fords transmission fluid is brought into a conversation.

I'm sure Beast will be in here to clarify what I just said....

Also, how could ford void a warranty if you are using MTG and had a factory fill with the QS fluid? They are the same exact oil weight. Besides your owners manual states to only change fluids that meet or exceed fords fluid. Amsoil MTG clearly meets and EXCEEDS fords stock fill.

I don't think changing the fluid to a non-Ford fluid will void your warranty - heck, I did it five times!

As for the forumulation, you can go to ihs.com and buy a copy of the spec for $30 and then you'd know for sure. The abstract does give the juicy part of it away, though:

"FORD WSD-M2C200-C: LUBRICANT, GEAR, SYNTHETIC HYDROCARBON

The material defined by this specification is a multiviscosity transmission lubricant using synthetic hydrocarbon (PAO) base fluids compounded with viscosity index improvers and extreme pressure additives."

So, to meet Ford's spec for QS fluid, the product has to blended with Group IV base stocks.

 

[Rob72]

I don't think changing the fluid to a non-Ford fluid will void your warranty - heck, I did it five times!.

I wouldn't put it past them. According to a coworker/friend of mine they wouldn't replace a bad timing chain tensioner because he used RP motor oil. That was with the Ford rep involved. His car is completely stock.

 

[JEWC_Motorsports]

I love the mtg in mine hot or cold. Shifts smooth.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

I wouldn't put it past them. According to a coworker/friend of mine they wouldn't replace a bad timing chain tensioner because he used RP motor oil. That was with the Ford rep involved. His car is completely stock.

Good excuse for Ford to save a buck. That's why I have many UOAs on my engine.

 

[2c5s]

Amsoil synchromesh for me. Got rid of all the grinding. Still whines like a 747, but that's another issue...lol

 

[-rpark-]

My Amsoil MTG came the other day. I haven't put it in, but that stuff is as thin as water. I was surprised.

 

[Napoleon85]

Quick update ... since I've actually be able to drive the car.

MTG doesn't seem to have made much difference in my MT82. I've put about 150 miles on since the swap, and the weather has been pretty ideal. Until the trans warms up I still have crunching into second gear and a bit of grinding into fifth. Temperature has been between 55 and 75 degrees. Once everything warms up it seems to shift slightly better than the stock fluid did, but that may be a placebo effect.

I'm going to drive it around for a few hundred more miles and report back.

Another update here...

After about 400 miles I am noticing a definite difference. I'm not having to baby it nearly as much right after startup (although I do baby all my cars until they warm up) and the rough/crunchy/grindey shifts are all but gone. Second gear still requires a bit of effort to get in sometimes, and the trans is a bit more notchy than what I'm used to, but at this point it's something that I feel is tolerable and acceptable.

This morning it was only 60 degrees and I didn't get a single crunch on the drive to work.

 

[COYO TT]

What is the fluid capacity of the MT-82?

 

[UnleashedBeast]

What is the fluid capacity of the MT-82?

about 2.75 quarts

 

[Napoleon85]

about 2.75 quarts

2.7 iirc. I took out a cup which left me with 2.75, probably lost that 0.05 in what stuck to the tube.

 

[JDos1]

Plus there was still some fluid left in your transmission. Either way ~2.7-2.75 is fine.

 

[Napoleon85]

Plus there was still some fluid left in your transmission. Either way ~2.7-2.75 is fine.

Not much ... let it drain for 2-3 hours.

 

[2c5s]

Not much ... let it drain for 2-3 hours.

Seriously, 2-3 hours?

 

[Napoleon85]

Seriously, 2-3 hours?

I had nothing better to do ... lol. Long story short, I should have fabricated a method to get the fluid IN before draining the old fluid OUT. Turns out my pump didn't fit the MTG bottles (the top of the bottle was bigger than the receiving end of the pump) and I didn't get hose that would work until I had made three (frustrated) trips to the hardware store.

 

[2c5s]

I had nothing better to do ... lol. Long story short, I should have fabricated a method to get the fluid IN before draining the old fluid OUT. Turns out my pump didn't fit the MTG bottles (the top of the bottle was bigger than the receiving end of the pump) and I didn't get hose that would work until I had made three (frustrated) trips to the hardware store.

another tip, always remove the fill plug first.

 

[Napoleon85]

another tip, always remove the fill plug first.

Sounds obvious.. But yeah.

 

[Napoleon85]

Another update here...

After about 400 miles I am noticing a definite difference. I'm not having to baby it nearly as much right after startup (although I do baby all my cars until they warm up) and the rough/crunchy/grindey shifts are all but gone. Second gear still requires a bit of effort to get in sometimes, and the trans is a bit more notchy than what I'm used to, but at this point it's something that I feel is tolerable and acceptable.

This morning it was only 60 degrees and I didn't get a single crunch on the drive to work.

I've got around 600-700 miles in with the MTG trans fluid now, and I can say that in warm weather it has helped things tremendously. It's been in the 70s and 80s the last couple weeks and the car has been shifting beautifully. Once the temp dipped back around 60 it started getting notchy and crunchy again. Today it was in the high 40s/low 50s and the car was shifting like complete shit, crunching into every gear no matter how much I babied it until it warmed up.

What is consistent is that the trans is very smooth in all weather once it's warmed up with the MTG. I know this is consistent with what others have posted, just wanted to give another perspective.

 

[JDos1]

+1 on what Napoleon said. mine is really loving this warm weather. Shifts like butter.

 

[MOTORCITYBADBOY]

So nobody has tried the Royal Purple?

 

[Napoleon85]

So nobody has tried the Royal Purple?

I don't think anything they make is a great fit for the mt82.