2013 5.0 Guys - Heads-up on Upcoming Update

[Bald Menace]

Okay guys. Anybody get their car flashed yesterday or today?

The more I drive the car, the more responsive it feels. I have to say, I am much happier after driving all day today compared to yesterday. It's especially better on the top-end around 5k to 7k. It puts me back in the seat much better.

I took my other GT for a ride when I got home tonight and I don't really feel any difference anymore.

I hope this is a long-term fix.

Glad to hear it, the other two guys i know of said they were feeling sluggish throttle response

 

[marcspaz]

I put almost 400 miles on the car before it really felt right. Let them know to drive it a bit and see how it works out. I was super pissed at first, but I'm much happier today.

 

[konablue11gt]

These cars have adaptive learning it takes a bunch of driving after a flash to settle in

 

[Napoleon85]

Okay guys. Anybody get their car flashed yesterday or today?

The more I drive the car, the more responsive it feels. I have to say, I am much happier after driving all day today compared to yesterday. It's especially better on the top-end around 5k to 7k. It puts me back in the seat much better.

I took my other GT for a ride when I got home tonight and I don't really feel any difference anymore.

I hope this is a long-term fix.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say the dealer didn't do the idle relearn properly, and the ECU just had to learn over time.

 

[eightballrj]

Mine was a big sluggish too when I first drove it. But it has gotten noticeably better after a few days. Honestly it drove like I thought one of the 6 mile brand new '13s drove when I test drove one before I drove my car. My best description is "flat". I have a 500 mile road trip today and I'm sure it will get better as the computer keeps feeding in timing etc.

 

[wicked400ex]

TSB
12-12-8 CHECK ENGINE LIGHT ILLUMINATED - DTCS P0300, P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304, P0305, P0306, P0307, P0308 - NO DRIVEABILITY SYMPTOMS - BUILT ON OR BEFORE 11/30/2012

Publication Date: December 17, 2012

FORD: 2013 Mustang


ISSUE:
Some 2013 Mustang vehicles equipped with a 5.0L engine and manual transmission and built on or before 11/30/2012 may exhibit a Check Engine Light illuminated accompanied by any combination of diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0300, P0301, P0302, P0303, P0304, P0305, P0306, P0307 and/or P0308 stored in continuous memory only. Additionally, there will be no apparent drivability symptoms present and no DTCs present which are not listed.

ACTION:
Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

SERVICE PROCEDURE

Using IDS, perform self test on the PCM to check for both continuous memory (CMDTCs) and key on engine running (KOER) DTCs.
If any DTCs P0300-P0308 are present in KOER and/or a driveability concern, such as cylinder misfire, is present, do not continue with this article. Refer to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for normal diagnostics.
If any DTCs P0300 - P0308 are present in continuous memory and there is no discernible drivability concern, such as cylinder misfire, present, proceed to Step 2.
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using IDS release 82.02 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2012.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at Buy Motorcraft Parts Online | Official Motorcraft Auto Parts Site | FordParts.com.
Using IDS, perform the Misfire Monitor Neutral Profile Correction procedure.

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty/ESP coverage limits/policies/prior approvals are not altered by a TSB. Warranty/ESP coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part and verified using the OASIS part coverage tool.

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
121208A 2013 Mustang: Check DTCs Reprogram PCM Perform The Misfire Neutral Correction Procedure Includes Time To Clear Codes After Repair (Do not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 0.3 Hr.

DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
RECALEM 04

 

[UltraKla$$ic]

What's "Step 2"?!?!? Reflash and send customer out the door????? LOL!!!!

 

[alinkous]

So ive never had to do a TSB, do I just call the dealer and tell them I want to make an appointment to hvae mine checked?

 

[Napoleon85]

So ive never had to do a TSB, do I just call the dealer and tell them I want to make an appointment to hvae mine checked?

A TSB is not a recall. It's just a piece of documentation that a dealer can use to troubleshoot and/or resolve a particular issue that MAY exist on a customer's vehicle. If your vehicle is exhibiting the symptoms described by the TSB, your best bet is to tell the dealership of these symptoms and inform them that you heard a recently issued TSB may apply. I've found that walking in with a copy of the TSB printed out and saying "please do this work" doesn't end well ... most people don't like being told how to do their jobs.

 

[alinkous]

A TSB is not a recall. It's just a piece of documentation that a dealer can use to troubleshoot and/or resolve a particular issue that MAY exist on a customer's vehicle. If your vehicle is exhibiting the symptoms described by the TSB, your best bet is to tell the dealership of these symptoms and inform them that you heard a recently issued TSB may apply. I've found that walking in with a copy of the TSB printed out and saying "please do this work" doesn't end well ... most people don't like being told how to do their jobs.

Awesome, thanks.

 

[marcspaz]

That TSB may cause dealers to overlook cars like mine which required a reflash with the updated tune.

It says "iIf any DTCs P0300-P0308 are present in KOER and/or a driveability concern, such as cylinder misfire, is present, do not continue with this article. Refer to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for normal diagnostics."

Well, mine had driveability issues, but if they follow the TSB, the dealer shouldn't do the update. WTF?

 

[wicked400ex]

That TSB may cause dealers to overlook cars like mine which required a reflash with the updated tune.

It says "iIf any DTCs P0300-P0308 are present in KOER and/or a driveability concern, such as cylinder misfire, is present, do not continue with this article. Refer to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for normal diagnostics."

Well, mine had driveability issues, but if they follow the TSB, the dealer shouldn't do the update. WTF?

Some people may think the loss of power is a drivability issue, but that is a protection mode due to the false misfires triggered. Do you have other issues then that?

 

[marcspaz]

Yes, the car had a "seat of the pants" noticeable fluctuation in power/torque. My two cars dyno'ed with a 30 rwtq difference, with the one having the problem being lower. And to make it worse, it was intermittent.

I also had some stalling issues and hard starts just before the KAM and misfire tables were cleared.

I haven't put it on the dyno since it was reflashed to confirm all is right, but I sure can't feel any difference anymore. That is what first got me to the dealer... the seat of the pants just didn't seem right. It eventually got bad enough to test for and find.

 

[dineau]

Anyone has a full copy of this TSB?

 

[Sky Render]

For the most part, a dealer will not perform a TSB unless they can verify the symptoms exist.

I need to have the drivebelt TSB done, but every time I take my car to the dealer, it doesn't make the noise.

 

[Seer]

For the most part, a dealer will not perform a TSB unless they can verify the symptoms exist.

I need to have the drivebelt TSB done, but every time I take my car to the dealer, it doesn't make the noise.

simple fix... dss (or dynatech, or rst etc etc) 1 piece

 

[Grimace427]

simple fix... dss (or dynatech, or rst etc etc) 1 piece

He said drivebelt...not driveshaft.

 

[Seer]

He said drivebelt...not driveshaft.

friends don't let friends drink and post mid day

 

[Gabe]

friends don't let friends drink and post mid day

So what are you doing posting?

Go back to drinking!



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[marcspaz]

Emoticons to the rescue.

Well guys... bad news I'm afraid. My car has less than 1,000 miles on it with the new tune and it is now doing the exact same thing. The CEL came on twice today and the misfires were so bad that I could hardly get the car to move.

To make thinks worse for me, my other GT did it on Saturday.