Wife wants a supercharger.. IYHO, which one should I buy?

[hamish]

Saleen Service manual states "50,000 miles change the oil"
If needed a rebiuild is $875 shipping is what it is.
It only needs a rebuild if it needs a rebuild.

 

[Goody05]

^ that's one hot, red GT ya got there!

Man, this thread rocks!

Thanks

 

[BruceH]

Could it be that living in Washington with the differences in climate that you aren't seeing a whole lot of heatsoak compared to the person in TX?


Aren't the Saleen's limited in what they can do and get heat soaked fairly easily? I do recall an entire thread about ways to fight it with the Saleen blower a little while back. But it sure does look the best out of all the options lol.

People in other states report low iats with a Whipple too. At the end of the quarter with 13 psi on a high 70's low 80's day the most I saw was 114 degrees. It climbed up once the throttle was shut down but came down pretty quick on the return road drive. This was while hot lapping.

Normal driving was about 10-20 over ambient. Once again others in other parts of the country have reported the same results. My sensor was placed in an intake runner.

All I can do is report my experiences. I have nothing to gain by misrepresenting anything.

The coolest supercharger I had was a Paxton at 8-9psi. It was also the best bang for the buck I've had. I started with a non intercooled tuner kit and made my own intercooler setup. A dob would be less expensive though.

The hottest was a Procharger at 19psi. It still ran fairly cool though.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Saleen Service manual states "50,000 miles change the oil"
If needed a rebiuild is $875 shipping is what it is.
It only needs a rebuild if it needs a rebuild.

From what I have seen in the real world Saleen blowers can not go that long between rebuilds.

I see where this is going though. No matter how good someone's debate is and how many facts you are presented with you will defend Saleen without fail. No problem, if your happy with your blower I'm happy for you.

I'm not suggesting the Saleen blower is a bad blower. Really there are no "bad" blowers out there (except maybe the M90). They all make a ton of power and they are all very reliable. What it comes down to is getting the right blower for the job and making buying decisions based on data, not feelings.

I don't blindly cheerlead for anything. I try to base my opinions on experience, real world observations and cold hard data. Just because I own something doesn't mean that I will automatically defend it. For example, you could search this forum and find a ton of posts by me bad mouthing my Kenne Bell 2.6L (I don't have it anymore).

And I don't twist facts or change my advice to only support what I sell. This thread is a perfect example of that. I have repeatedly said the TVS2300 is probably the best daily driver blower available. I don't sell TVS2300's.

If someone said to me that they wanted to make 600hp and wanted to buy an R-Spec kit I would tell them that isn't a good idea and to consider a TVS instead. Would I loose a sale, yes. Would I compromise my credibility, no.

I don't have an agenda. And I don't post to hear myself talk. I share my opinions so people can hopefully learn from the mistakes (mistakes cost $$$$$) I've made in the past.

 

[Department Of Boost]

People in other states report low iats with a Whipple too. At the end of the quarter with 13 psi on a high 70's low 80's day the most I saw was 114 degrees. It climbed up once the throttle was shut down but came down pretty quick on the return road drive. This was while hot lapping.

Normal driving was about 10-20 over ambient. Once again others in other parts of the country have reported the same results. My sensor was placed in an intake runner.

All I can do is report my experiences. I have nothing to gain by misrepresenting anything.

The coolest supercharger I had was a Paxton at 8-9psi. It was also the best bang for the buck I've had. I started with a non intercooled tuner kit and made my own intercooler setup. A dob would be less expensive though.

The hottest was a Procharger at 19psi. It still ran fairly cool though.

All the above data tracks. Boost=heat. It's approximately 13deg/psi. So when you make more boost, you make more heat.

 

[slagburn]

And if you are running a M122 you can simply buy a replacement blower for $400 and swap it on in about an hour.

The Saleen service interval is 20,000-25,000mi. It costs about $1000 plus $200 in shipping for a rebuild, you will be without a running car for a few weeks and it's a PITA to box everything up for shipping.

Eaton blowers are designed to be used in OEM applications. The OEM's have MUCH higher standards than the aftermarket when it comes to durability and quality.

All of the aftermarket blowers, Whipple, Kenne Bell, Saleen, etc, etc, etc need to be serviced a LOT more than the Eaton blowers do.

Not cheerleading in any way.. but Whipple if I recall also has the 100,000 mile oil change interval. Mine is somewhere north of 30,000 miles right now and nothing has ever been done to it. I don't know that Whipple goes through quite the same OE durability testing as the TVS but they seem pretty durable from here.

 

[o2sys]

My vote goes to DOB as well, sold the frpp Whipple for it as well.

The DOB is very modular, you can make many compatible parts options work with your kit the combinations are endless(just figure of speech here).

It's upgradeable so it's always nice to know that as well.


Right now Im slowly cleaning up the hose and wire routings for a cleaner look.


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[white95]

I like the factory look of the DOB kit!

 

[blownGTvert]

I like the factory look of the DOB kit!

Not to mention the price / value ratio!

 

[jayman33]

Hamish, I don't know if you have something again Gmitch and I understand he's not a vendor on this forum (yet) but the man does some great work, is knowledgeable and has provided much knowledge and support to this forum.

With that being said, OP, you'll be happy with either the TVS, Whipple or DOB kits. All will dramatically change the overall characteristics of your car! I personally like the TVS as I've found this to run a little cooler than the whipple, I'm not too familiar with the DOB kits though.

 

[hamish]

No I've got no issues with gmitch at all, in fact I do agree with alot of what he has said on this forum.
I just took offense to someone on this forum openly promoting/selling a product from his company without vendor status or at the very least supporting member status.
I don't think this is wise in terms of members rights on this board or more specifically Vendors who sponsor this board.
Direct competition without proper representation or going through the proper procedures should be looked down upon on this board.
You being a vendor should appreciate that fact.
According to gmitch he has talked with Kimmer about the subject and will update his status shortly when has his shit together.
If in fact this is the truth how can I have an issue.
Do you personally know gmitch?

 

[BruceH]

Hamish, I'm curious about your iats. Have you monitored them during normal driving? If so what are they in relation to ambient? I ask because I've always heard that Saleens run hot, hence the Chicane intercooler. However, I haven't known anyone who actually kept track of the temps during driving.

IMO first hand experience is very valuable.

 

[hamish]

Unfortunately I have not datalogged my IATs.
Most of my driving is on the open highway for hours at a time.
I am not just out for a Sunday drive though, I can assure you that.
I do have an AFCO dual pass though and I after I finish with this new build I will definitely be monitoring the temps.
But I will be spinning this setup faster than most will.

 

[TRC51]

Really there are no "bad" blowers out there (except maybe the M90).

Really..... it's that bad?

 

[01yellerCobra]

Really..... it's that bad?

IMO it's too small for a V8. It seems to run out of breath pretty easy. A few years ago a guy took me for a ride in his Roush with am M90. It had a good hit, but I could feel it fall off in the higher rpms.

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[hamish]

The m90 definately has it's limits but it's all relative to what you want to acheive in the end.
400rwhp simple bolt on blower- m90
Or you can strap on a 3.4 or 4.0 whipple what would you do?
Sure the big whipple can be pullied for 400rwhp and yes it will have super low AITs
But does it make sense?
I like the m90 for what it is.
Everything has it's limits.

 

[TRC51]

I like the m90 for what it is.
Everything has it's limits.

I agree with this statement. I like the fact that the M90 provides a little bit of security for a guy just getting started in the FI department. I have caught the bug for more now, but I am also three years in... and honestly, the ~400rwhp it has it pretty fun for a reasonably motor safe street car. As little as 10 years ago, 400hp was a pretty good sized number, so why is it all that bad now?

Are there better blowers out there... yup.... and I want a TVS2300. But I also know I am rolling the dice unless I forge the motor. I was originally going to respond to the OP that the M90 is great for the wife's car IMO, but after he mentioned "upgradeable" I knew not to bother.

With all that said, is the M90 really all that bad that you have to single it out to hint at the idea that it is the "only" bad blower? If so............


....... then I have an M90 for sale. LOL

 

[Weou09]

I agree with this statement. I like the fact that the M90 provides a little bit of security for a guy just getting started in the FI department. I have caught the bug for more now, but I am also three years in... and honestly, the ~400rwhp it has it pretty fun for a reasonably motor safe street car. As little as 10 years ago, 400hp was a pretty good sized number, so why is it all that bad now?

Are there better blowers out there... yup.... and I want a TVS2300. But I also know I am rolling the dice unless I forge the motor. I was originally going to respond to the OP that the M90 is great for the wife's car IMO, but after he mentioned "upgradeable" I knew not to bother.

With all that said, is the M90 really all that bad that you have to single it out to hint at the idea that it is the "only" bad blower? If so............


....... then I have an M90 for sale. LOL

If it makes you feel better I think every blower is a bad blower...that is why I have a hair dryer. I am under the mind set that anything with parasitic lose is against what we all try to do with our cars, squeezing every last drop out of them without sacrificing to much. I find it hilarious seeing all the drive-ability issues with cams and heads and all sorts of things that people do to try and squeeze what that can out of something that takes nothing more than a turn of a knob for me...

 

[white95]

^ very true about big power NA motors...

 

[Doug M]

If it makes you feel better I think every blower is a bad blower...that is why I have a hair dryer. I am under the mind set that anything with parasitic lose is against what we all try to do with our cars, squeezing every last drop out of them without sacrificing to much. I find it hilarious seeing all the drive-ability issues with cams and heads and all sorts of things that people do to try and squeeze what that can out of something that takes nothing more than a turn of a knob for me...

I don't think everyone has been as lucky as you with their turbo