2018 GT500 Twins?

[tjm73]

Car and Driver tests show a 20 pound curb weight advantage to the Camaro. Not enough to matter.

And that was V8 stick shift coupe vs V8 stick shift coupe.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

It definitely doesn't matter to me.. Despite the Camaro's 200lb weight loss, my S197 still weighs less lol.

 

[1 Alibi 2]

Autoweek Aug 10, 2018
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Plenty of rumors going around..
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[tjm73]

Any of the rumored cars would be cool but all will be out of my grasp. A "plain" old GT is the best I csn expect.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Any of the rumored cars would be cool but all will be out of my grasp. A "plain" old GT is the best I csn expect.

The biggest problem is even if you/me can afford the car, you can't touch one unless it's way over retail.

I get why Ford wants to set build numbers at "One short of demand". But it really doesn't seem like that's how it's working out.

I would be tempted to gte a GT350 or 500 or something. But I just can't bring myself to pay over retail. How many people are out there in the same boat? How many cars could Ford sell if they built enough so they went for retail?

 

[Candy10]

Last years dealer price sheet: GT350R with the few options there are is a $60k car. Dealer greed, "the middle man", fucks the customer in the end.

GT350 Pricing by Kenneth Stephens, on Flickr

 

[Marshal]

So what, they sell above SUGGESTED retail price. People are buying them up at 60k. This is basic economics. Let the market work.

Quit being jaded just because you don't like that you can't afford one.

I can't afford everything I want either.

 

[eighty6gt]

There'll be tons of low mile cast off 350's and 500's soon enough. Just buy used.

 

[BruceH]

If I had the money laying around I'd snap up some 2007-2009 GT500s and 2013-2014 Boss'. I'd be willing to risk it as a diversification of retirement savings. Trouble is, I'm too close to retirement to risk it and "GT500-Boss" isn't an option for my pre tax funds, lol.

In 2007 people were paying over sticker for the GT500. Same thing happened with the SRT8 Challenger. That's just how the economy was, people spending the "equity" from way overpriced houses they bought a year earlier. They were gaining value every day because of "no verification" home loans. Once the pyramid money dried up so did the high prices on houses and specialty cars.

Something else will come along and give people access to money they don't have and prices will follow suit. Then it will bust. It's a cycle and it does affect the price on non-essential items like hot rods.

 

[sdleo29]

The biggest problem is even if you/me can afford the car, you can't touch one unless it's way over retail.



I get why Ford wants to set build numbers at "One short of demand". But it really doesn't seem like that's how it's working out.



I would be tempted to gte a GT350 or 500 or something. But I just can't bring myself to pay over retail. How many people are out there in the same boat? How many cars could Ford sell if they built enough so they went for retail?

A fuckingmen

 

[sdleo29]

So what, they sell above SUGGESTED retail price. People are buying them up at 60k. This is basic economics. Let the market work.

Quit being jaded just because you don't like that you can't afford one.

I can't afford everything I want either.

I don't disagree, but some in the North East were going for well above 80k, same with Hellcats. For me it is not about the money and more about what I can get for that kind of money. It makes the decision that much tougher. If you are going to drop 80-100 large on a car, there are ALOT better options IMHO. I love Mustangs, but if you were to ask me if I wanted a 13/14 Porsche 911 Carrera S or a GT350, I am going with the Carrera every time. Now if you ask me if I could have a GT350 for sticker and 30k in my pocket, I am going with the 350 everyday and twice on Sunday.

I keep holding out on the S550 because I really want a GT500 on the new platform. The reality is they will probably be 90K plus to get one the first year, which puts me back to my original problem of dropping that kind of cheese on a Mustang. I should just get an S550 and out twins on it.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Last years dealer price sheet: GT350R with the few options there are is a $60k car. Dealer greed, "the middle man", fucks the customer in the end.

GT350 Pricing by Kenneth Stephens, on Flickr

I don't disagree, but some in the North East were going for well above 80k, same with Hellcats. For me it is not about the money and more about what I can get for that kind of money. It makes the decision that much tougher. If you are going to drop 80-100 large on a car, there are ALOT better options IMHO. I love Mustangs, but if you were to ask me if I wanted a 13/14 Porsche 911 Carrera S or a GT350, I am going with the Carrera every time. Now if you ask me if I could have a GT350 for sticker and 30k in my pocket, I am going with the 350 everyday and twice on Sunday.

I keep holding out on the S550 because I really want a GT500 on the new platform. The reality is they will probably be 90K plus to get one the first year, which puts me back to my original problem of dropping that kind of cheese on a Mustang. I should just get an S550 and out twins on it.

I'm about to get preachy, bear with me.

I don't fault the dealers for ADM, I would do the same thing if I were them. A fool and his money are soon parted and all that. But just like politics as a society we are collectively too dumb to make the system work for us. We fall right into the traps and let it work for other people.

If no one would pay over retail for the SVT cars..........................they would sell at retail. End of story. The problem is the market will not speak.

It's the same thing with politics. As far as I'm concerned the Dems and Repubs are the exact same party. The Ruling Elite. They just play it like they're against each other to keep the masses distracted. Until we as a people insists on voting for non Dem/Repubs we get exactly what we deserve. A Gov that is not in it for the people, but for themselves.

Collectively we are our own worst enemy. And I doubt it will change.

 

[Boaisy]

I'm about to get preachy, bear with me.

I don't fault the dealers for ADM, I would do the same thing if I were them. A fool and his money are soon parted and all that. But just like politics as a society we are collectively too dumb to make the system work for us. We fall right into the traps and let it work for other people.

If no one would pay over retail for the SVT cars..........................they would sell at retail. End of story. The problem is the market will not speak.

It's the same thing with politics. As far as I'm concerned the Dems and Repubs are the exact same party. The Ruling Elite. They just play it like they're against each other to keep the masses distracted. Until we as a people insists on voting for non Dem/Repubs we get exactly what we deserve. A Gov that is not in it for the people, but for themselves.

Collectively we are our own worst enemy. And I doubt it will change.

 

[Candy10]

Preach on, brutha!!!

Hey Marshal, lets be clear, Im not "jaded" because its expensive LOL. I place value vs cost high on the priority list. Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't pay for it.


For anybody seriously in the market, the Palm Springs/Palm Desert dealers are pretty close to msrp.

 

[408Stang]

The 2017 camaro upends the mustang in every possible category. The 1LE SS will simply annihilate the GT350 on track. I don't think Ford has anything for GM.

Not according to virtually every track test performed.

You must have got your information from a Chevy forum... Probably hard to read though with all the misspellings and references to hot cousins.

 

[Boaisy]

The only figures that I have seen is the 1LE SS is projected to beat the GT350 in the 0-60. I haven't seen any track data comparing the two. Most of the sites saying "1LE SS is faster than GT350!!!" are only using the 0-60 data.

 

[Department Of Boost]

The only figures that I have seen is the 1LE SS is projected to beat the GT350 in the 0-60. I haven't seen any track data comparing the two. Most of the sites saying "1LE SS is faster than GT350!!!" are only using the 0-60 data.

0-60..................................LOL

0-60 times have gotten so stupid. Car's are just plain too fast now for 0-60 times to really mean anything.

"My car goes from 0-60 in 3.7sec".

"Yeah! Well mine does it in 3.6 LOSER!!!!"

And I have learned recently that 0-60 times aren't as simple as you would think. At least in how the mags test them. They do this weird "roll out" thing. And I do know for a fact that some manufacturers will make gearing considerations and engine mapping to get a couple tenths in a 0-60 test. There is all sorts of trickery. How about the car that can make 60mph in 1st gear vs one that can't? The one that can will have a slightly faster time. But will it still be faster at 80?

I think roll on numbers are far more indicative of how a car will drive on the street. Maybe a 30mph roll on and 60mph roll on numbers would be more telling.

 

[Boaisy]

Exactly, and the specs for these cars, in terms of comparison, should be more than 0-60. For example, 0-60-0, 0-100-0, G loads, lap time around the same track, max speed, time to max speed, etc. 0-60 is for light to light queens, not the track.

 

[eighty6gt]

I get my data from the guys building and testing the cars in detroit.

If the dealers goes and adds a bunch of tacked on fees to the 1LE's locally, I will give them hell just as I give Ford shit for trying to sell a rental car for over 100 grand. DOB is right, though, there's always some old fogey with more money than he knows what to do with who will throw it away on a 20,000 market adjustment.

 

[Department Of Boost]

Exactly, and the specs for these cars, in terms of comparison, should be more than 0-60. For example, 0-60-0, 0-100-0, G loads, lap time around the same track, max speed, time to max speed, etc. 0-60 is for light to light queens, not the track.

I don't like how they do lap times either. In the motorcycle world if they have a shoot out between 2-8 bikes and they go to the track with them they run the same tires on all of them to level the playing field. There are literally SECONDS in a set of tires.

And that also prevents the manufacturers that are supplying the "ringers".....did I say ringers?........... I meant cars, from using ringer tires. It's not hard to get a stock looking tire made that has a much higher grip level. It's done ALL THE TIME.

When there can be up to 2-3sec in a set of tires they really should be taken out of the equation. The argument as to why they're not is "that's what the manufacturer spec'd them out with". Which is irrelevant when you're talking about lap times. Who the hell takes their car to a track day on the stock rubber? Maybe the first time they go? After that they're running on sticky-icky stuff. Well, most are.