Stock tune?

[702GT]

I just looked at the Brenspeed website, checked everywhere. Don't see anything about remote tuning/data logging services being offered by them whatsoever. Perhaps provide us with a direct link with subcategory to look under, as I looked under every single category on the website and couldn't find anything related to data logging/remote tuning services as now being offered!

http://www.brenspeed.com/sctunea.html <--- Custom SC/Turbo/NO2
http://www.brenspeed.com/1tunea.html <--- Custom N/A

If you note in the description, the SC tune does *not* offer data log review. The N/A tune *does* offer data log review (for an extra $200). They also offer full dyno tune services at their Indiana location if you have the vehicle tuned in-house on the dyno. $400 for a remote tune with data log review is fair money to me. To not offer it for a SC/Turbo/N2O tune is ridiculousness, though. I do retract my statement of not being competitive in tune pricing with log review. $400 is fairly standard for a dyno tune session. I'd expect no less for a quality remote tune.

It's also important to note what SC/Turbo/NO2 applications they will *not* cut a tune for. Not sure why they'll tune a Paxton/Vortech but not a Procharger. Perhaps MAF location? As long as they're willing review data logs for that price of service and adjust their tunes accordingly, I'd be game for a NA tune from them. Wouldn't do FI if no log review and tune refinement.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

http://www.brenspeed.com/sctunea.html <--- Custom SC/Turbo/NO2
http://www.brenspeed.com/1tunea.html <--- Custom N/A

If you note in the description, the SC tune does *not* offer data log review. The N/A tune *does* offer data log review (for an extra $200). They also offer full dyno tune services at their Indiana location if you have the vehicle tuned in-house on the dyno. $400 for a remote tune with data log review is fair money to me. To not offer it for a SC/Turbo/N2O tune is ridiculousness, though. I do retract my statement of not being competitive in tune pricing with log review. $400 is fairly standard for a dyno tune session. I'd expect no less for a quality remote tune.

It's also important to note what SC/Turbo/NO2 applications they will *not* cut a tune for. Not sure why they'll tune a Paxton/Vortech but not a Procharger. Perhaps MAF location? As long as they're willing review data logs for that price of service and adjust their tunes accordingly, I'd be game for a NA tune from them. Wouldn't do FI if no log review and tune refinement.

I didn't look at the N/A description, but after checking the link you provided, I now see where they provide a remote tuning option for an additional $200.00 over the regular $125.00 totaling $325.00 which I agree is fair for a custom remote/data log tune. However, just as you posted, I also find it totally ridiculous they won't offer data logging/remote tuning as an option for their SC/Turbo/NO2 tunes which IMO doesn't make any sense being that log reviews are far more important and critical when it comes to FI applications over N/A. Perhaps I could be either right or wrong about this, but my guess is this. If Brenspeed were to offer remote tuning/data log reviewing for their custom mail order SC/Turbo/NO2 tunes by adding an additional $200.00 plus the normal $295.00 for the file, you'd then be looking at $495.00 total. Therefore under this scenario, it would make far more practical sense by just having them tune the vehicle in-house on their dyno for $400.00 including the data log review. At any rate, I had no other option but to take my car to a local tuning shop in order to make certain that my Brenspeed SC tune was dialed-in accurately. That being said, if I had to do it all over again, I would've just opted to have my car tuned in-house on the dyno, to begin with

 

[702GT]

I didn't look at the N/A description, but after checking the link you provided, I now see where they provide a remote tuning option for an additional $200.00 over the regular $125.00 totaling $325.00 which I agree is fair for a custom remote/data log tune. However, just as you posted, I also find it totally ridiculous they won't offer data logging/remote tuning as an option for their SC/Turbo/NO2 tunes which IMO doesn't make any sense being that log reviews are far more important and critical when it comes to FI applications over N/A. Perhaps I could be either right or wrong about this, but my guess is this. If Brenspeed were to offer remote tuning/data log reviewing for their custom mail order SC/Turbo/NO2 tunes by adding an additional $200.00 plus the normal $295.00 for the file, you'd then be looking at $495.00 total. Therefore under this scenario, it would make far more practical sense by just having them tune the vehicle in-house on their dyno for $400.00 including the data log review. At any rate, I had no other option but to take my car to a local tuning shop in order to make certain that my Brenspeed SC tune was dialed-in accurately. That being said, if I had to do it all over again, I would've just opted to have my car tuned in-house on the dyno, to begin with

As long as your local tuner is competent, that's the 1st route I'd take. $500 is still fair for a precision tune. Figure you've got an additional $4,000-$15,000 under the hood with FI and maybe a forged motor as well, $500 is money well spent to make sure it's not knocking or having other issues that you can't see, hear, or feel. But ya, if you can save a couple benji's at the local tuner, it's the way to go. My tuner didn't discriminate between NA/FI. His rate was $400 flat for a dyno tune session and allowed 1 revisit on the dyno for verification if you left and felt later that the car wasn't right. $125 for tune revision with no major hardware changes. (Like if you were running HF cats and then decided to run O/R, or decided you wanted a 100 octane or E85 tune on top of your pump gas tune.) $650 and he'd sell you a handheld with a dyno tune (which was an awesome deal, IMO.) Tuner's can pretty much name their price really. As long as they don't blow your shit up in the process and it runs tits when they're done, I'm a happy enthusiast. I had a friend insist on flying in a tuner from Montana for his '07 3500. Took the guy about 90 minutes, maybe 2 hours to dial in the truck with 5 tunes. Pretty sure he spent well over $1,500 on that guy. But he's got $30k in the truck, not including the cost of the truck lol.

 

[46addict]

I don't see anyone getting bent out of shape, but to my knowledge there's only 2 ways (Edit: 3 ways if you include tuning it to properly tune a vehicle. Remotely via email exchanging tune files and data logs, or on a dyno using live data and data logs. Anything else is a cookie cutter tune that is based either on an identical vehicle and application or raw data provided by an exact list of parts and established parameters (with a ridiculous amount of calculator punching). Cookie cutter tunes can be close or way the hell off, only a data log will verify it. I ran a diablo canned tune on my '01 GT for a long time, never had an issue that I knew of. Have no idea if it made more, less, or the same power either, didn't even have a wideband in the car because I didn't know any better. But that's the point, you don't know until you verify or experience problems. I'm not Lito's cheerleader squad. I will advocate for any business or individual who gives a damn to do things right, protect/honor their customers investments, and earn themselves that reputation. I'll knock any business or individual that slums around in my favorite hobby and does no justice for the industry the enthusiasts built for them. That's my opinion. I won't trust my investment to an outfit who doesn't verify their work, if they want extra money to verify their work that's fine but doesn't work for me as a competitive business model when plenty of other reputable tuners verify their work for the sake of their reputation and customer service. That's my opinion, and I freely share it with the OP and community for consideration. As you said, to each their own choices and consequences. At least they had plenty of opinions to take into account to make an informed decision. So lets not get our panties in twist over it, it's not even man-thong weather yet!

Edit: Oh yeah, and fuck MMR.

Yeah when widebands were expensive I just paid for canned tunes and didn't think twice. But after going through the process of a datalogged tune, and watching the logs improve with each update, I will never take the risk on canned tunes again even on a bolt-on car. I know from doing business with Lito that he will stand behind his work and send updates until the customer is happy, and his prices are very reasonable. A tuner can make or break a car and it is tuners like him that make the hardcore stuff on 3v's possible, and driveable. I would not hesitate to go back to him a third or fourth time for other cars as I've found out he also tunes 2v and 4v cars.

I just looked at the Brenspeed website, checked everywhere. Don't see anything about remote tuning/data logging services being offered by them whatsoever. Perhaps provide us with a direct link with subcategory to look under, as I looked under every single category on the website and couldn't find anything related to data logging/remote tuning services as now being offered!

It's time to get in the corner and put my foot in my mouth. It is VMP who does the datalogged tunes, not Brenspeed. Fuck me.

edit: I just saw 702's post on the datalogged tuning for NA setups. I also find it strange that they don't offer this for power adder cars as it is more important to log a FI setup. Even if the bill came out to be $495 for a datalogged FI tune (if it existed), I'd consider paying the extra $95 over the dyno tune because not all dynos are good at simulating road conditions.

 

[702GT]

Yeah when widebands were expensive I just paid for canned tunes and didn't think twice. But after going through the process of a datalogged tune, and watching the logs improve with each update, I will never take the risk on canned tunes again even on a bolt-on car. I know from doing business with Lito that he will stand behind his work and send updates until the customer is happy, and his prices are very reasonable. A tuner can make or break a car and it is tuners like him that make the hardcore stuff on 3v's possible, and driveable. I would not hesitate to go back to him a third or fourth time for other cars as I've found out he also tunes 2v and 4v cars.

I know he does the old 2v/4v mod motors but I thought he didn't do GT500 or Coyote tuning? I've been pondering picking up a 97/98 Cobra and doing a quick NA job on it (cams, adjustable cam gears, full exhaust, and minor intake work) just to have a 'stang on the sly. But then I remember all the shit I gutted and re-worked on my '01 to make it nice and my kind of street-worthy, and there's just no way I wouldn't be into the car $3-$4k plus the cost of the car. I can't just leave it alone either. Meh, it's GT500 or bust for me. Maybe next year.

Someone hoist the jolly roger, this thread has been absolutely hijacked. Sorry OP!

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

As long as your local tuner is competent, that's the 1st route I'd take. $500 is still fair for a precision tune. Figure you've got an additional $4,000-$15,000 under the hood with FI and maybe a forged motor as well, $500 is money well spent to make sure it's not knocking or having other issues that you can't see, hear, or feel. But ya, if you can save a couple benji's at the local tuner, it's the way to go. My tuner didn't discriminate between NA/FI. His rate was $400 flat for a dyno tune session and allowed 1 revisit on the dyno for verification if you left and felt later that the car wasn't right. $125 for tune revision with no major hardware changes. (Like if you were running HF cats and then decided to run O/R, or decided you wanted a 100 octane or E85 tune on top of your pump gas tune.) $650 and he'd sell you a handheld with a dyno tune (which was an awesome deal, IMO.) Tuner's can pretty much name their price really. As long as they don't blow your shit up in the process and it runs tits when they're done, I'm a happy enthusiast. I had a friend insist on flying in a tuner from Montana for his '07 3500. Took the guy about 90 minutes, maybe 2 hours to dial in the truck with 5 tunes. Pretty sure he spent well over $1,500 on that guy. But he's got $30k in the truck, not including the cost of the truck lol.

Although the SC tune I have thru Brenspeed is really considered a canned tune, the local tuner who checked it did verify that it was dialed-in properly and also mentioned how impressed he was with how spot on the parameters checked out for a canned tune. Needless to say, it's been nearly 3 years since then and everything still seems to be running just fine lol.

Yeah when widebands were expensive I just paid for canned tunes and didn't think twice. But after going through the process of a datalogged tune, and watching the logs improve with each update, I will never take the risk on canned tunes again even on a bolt-on car. I know from doing business with Lito that he will stand behind his work and send updates until the customer is happy, and his prices are very reasonable. A tuner can make or break a car and it is tuners like him that make the hardcore stuff on 3v's possible, and driveable. I would not hesitate to go back to him a third or fourth time for other cars as I've found out he also tunes 2v and 4v cars.


It's time to get in the corner and put my foot in my mouth. It is VMP who does the datalogged tunes, not Brenspeed. Fuck me.

edit: I just saw 702's post on the datalogged tuning for NA setups. I also find it strange that they don't offer this for power adder cars as it is more important to log a FI setup. Even if the bill came out to be $495 for a datalogged FI tune (if it existed), I'd consider paying the extra $95 over the dyno tune because not all dynos are good at simulating road conditions.

I couldn't agree more that not all dynos are good at simulating real-world road conditions, but I'm guessing that dyno tuners such as Brenspeed, VMP, and Lund are very good at doing just that. I'd also be very interested in possibly having Lito or VMP write an SC tune via data logging as well, however, I don't own data logging software, a laptop PC or a wideband. All I currently have is my SCT X-4 handheld tuner and desktop PC. So my question is this, would the X-4 be capable of logging enough data or would I still need a wideband, along with a laptop PC and 02 sensor bung welded in?

I know he does the old 2v/4v mod motors but I thought he didn't do GT500 or Coyote tuning? I've been pondering picking up a 97/98 Cobra and doing a quick NA job on it (cams, adjustable cam gears, full exhaust, and minor intake work) just to have a 'stang on the sly. But then I remember all the shit I gutted and re-worked on my '01 to make it nice and my kind of street-worthy, and there's just no way I wouldn't be into the car $3-$4k plus the cost of the car. I can't just leave it alone either. Meh, it's GT500 or bust for me. Maybe next year.

Someone hoist the jolly roger, this thread has been absolutely hijacked. Sorry OP!

IIRC Lito tunes the old 2v/4v mod motors, 3v mod motors and I think he also does the GT500, but I can't say for sure about that. However, I do know that he doesn't tune for the 11-current Coyote 4v motors that I'm aware of

 

[702GT]

All I currently have is my SCT X-4 handheld tuner. So my question is this, would the X-4 be capable of logging enough data or would I still need a wideband, 02 bung sensor welded in along with a laptop?

All you need for data logging is a config file to set the parameters of what you want to log. Virtually any handheld is capable, and any tuner should be able to set up a config file for you to upload to your tuner. You will need a PC to do it. Laptops are nice, because you can take them in the car with you, but unless you're doing a live-log with a tuner riding shotgun, it's not necessary. As for logging wideband data, you need a wideband adapter cable to plug the wideband into the handheld while it's logging. Most tuners have them on hand for dyno tuning, and should be able to sell you one. Otherwise contact SCT or your wideband manufacturer to find out what the correct cable is. Not all adapters are the same, depends on the handheld ports. If you're already running with rear O2's shut off, just use one of the rear O2 bungs for your wideband reading. If you don't have rear O2 bungs, then yes you'll need an O2 bung welded in.

Really the only thing you want a laptop for is convenience. If you have a PC, it's just a matter of going to your PC with you handheld and plugging in. This is where you see the convenience. If you're miles from home doing a log on an abandon road or similar, you don't have to go home to upload your log. Just do it right there in the car.

For Dynojet dyno graph file viewing (will only display parameter graphs for which were logged during the recorded dynojet file) handy for finding torque/horsepower peaks for shift points, and know where the power's at. For logging, shows where hiccups may be in AFR (if recorded) or if spark timing is being pulled, where it's at (if recorded) http://www.dynojet.com/downloads/downloads.aspx?dc=Software/Firmware

For Livelink data log viewing tool. Used usually in conjunction with the dyno graph viewing software. Great for hunting down hiccups as previously mentioned, and all around log review. https://www.sctflash.com/Products/software/SCTADV3/advantage-iii (Scroll down towards the bottom of the page for the Livelink download.

FWIW, as I stated previously you can have a tuner set up a pre-configured monitor file for you to upload to your device. Alternatively, you can create your own configuration file using livelink, and upload it to your device. Some of the parameters are redundant, so if you don't know what's what, you end up looking at a lot of useless data. The nice thing is, even if you record a bunch of useless data, you can always turn those parameters off when you review the file, and only view the PID's you want to see.

This is all free software.

 

[CammedS197]

I just looked at the Brenspeed website, checked everywhere. Don't see anything about remote tuning/data logging services being offered by them whatsoever. Perhaps provide us with a direct link with subcategory to look under, as I looked under every single category on the website and couldn't find anything related to data logging/remote tuning services as now being offered!

If you go to their page and click on their programmers and custom calibrations and click on email tune and I clicked on just the one N/A tune and one of the drop downs has datalogging +$200 WTF! Also when i first got their cams 4 years ago, there was no extra charge for having cams and the tune was only $100. Also it was shit for my car. Couldn't even drive on it barely idled, popped and sputtered. They said I installed the cams wrong and timing must be off. Loaded my BAMA tune and it ran fine. BAMA's was actually better.

 

[46addict]

I know he does the old 2v/4v mod motors but I thought he didn't do GT500 or Coyote tuning? I've been pondering picking up a 97/98 Cobra and doing a quick NA job on it (cams, adjustable cam gears, full exhaust, and minor intake work) just to have a 'stang on the sly. But then I remember all the shit I gutted and re-worked on my '01 to make it nice and my kind of street-worthy, and there's just no way I wouldn't be into the car $3-$4k plus the cost of the car. I can't just leave it alone either. Meh, it's GT500 or bust for me. Maybe next year.

Someone hoist the jolly roger, this thread has been absolutely hijacked. Sorry OP!

When I said 2v and 4v I meant on 4.6s. I'm not sure on the 5.4 and 5.8 and I know he does not do Coyotes. And yes, this thread is far gone now.

So my question is this, would the X-4 be capable of logging enough data or would I still need a wideband, along with a laptop PC and 02 sensor bung welded in?

There are quite a few PIDs (more than 600 for our cars) that are available in livelink and a tuner will have you log 18-20 PIDs. Of those 18-20 I'm not sure which ones are available for logging with just the handheld. I haven't tried this because I used a laptop for my logs but doing this all with the handheld would be easier than lugging a laptop around.

To get data from your wideband, you need to connect this cable from the wideband controller to the handheld. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...d3ofjOW9OLYoOl9sv9a9YWobW6XxgwX4aAgLBEALw_wcB

 

[Mustang Mark]

Hey all. So i picked up my 06 gt about a month ago. It has the bama plaque on the dash and the guy included his bama tuner with the car. Since buying it I've added a muffler delete and a bbk high flow catted x pipe. Is there a way to know for sure if he flashed the car back to stock before giving it to me ? Would it not be running right or anything obvious like that ? Since I just got the car I'm just paranoid about every little thing so excuse my repeated stupid posts, lol ! Also are bama tunes safe long term ? I know back in the day people have had problems with them but they have been around for some time now.. What is the general consensus on them ? (Only reason I wanted a tune was because the guy also included an airaid race cold air intake which requires a tune to install) thanks again

Do you currently have a handheld or the like for the car?

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

All you need for data logging is a config file to set the parameters of what you want to log. Virtually any handheld is capable, and any tuner should be able to set up a config file for you to upload to your tuner. You will need a PC to do it. Laptops are nice, because you can take them in the car with you, but unless you're doing a live-log with a tuner riding shotgun, it's not necessary. As for logging wideband data, you need a wideband adapter cable to plug the wideband into the handheld while it's logging. Most tuners have them on hand for dyno tuning, and should be able to sell you one. Otherwise contact SCT or your wideband manufacturer to find out what the correct cable is. Not all adapters are the same, depends on the handheld ports. If you're already running with rear O2's shut off, just use one of the rear O2 bungs for your wideband reading. If you don't have rear O2 bungs, then yes you'll need an O2 bung welded in.

Really the only thing you want a laptop for is convenience. If you have a PC, it's just a matter of going to your PC with you handheld and plugging in. This is where you see the convenience. If you're miles from home doing a log on an abandon road or similar, you don't have to go home to upload your log. Just do it right there in the car.

For Dynojet dyno graph file viewing (will only display parameter graphs for which were logged during the recorded dynojet file) handy for finding torque/horsepower peaks for shift points, and know where the power's at. For logging, shows where hiccups may be in AFR (if recorded) or if spark timing is being pulled, where it's at (if recorded) http://www.dynojet.com/downloads/downloads.aspx?dc=Software/Firmware

For Livelink data log viewing tool. Used usually in conjunction with the dyno graph viewing software. Great for hunting down hiccups as previously mentioned, and all around log review. https://www.sctflash.com/Products/software/SCTADV3/advantage-iii (Scroll down towards the bottom of the page for the Livelink download.

FWIW, as I stated previously you can have a tuner set up a pre-configured monitor file for you to upload to your device. Alternatively, you can create your own configuration file using livelink, and upload it to your device. Some of the parameters are redundant, so if you don't know what's what, you end up looking at a lot of useless data. The nice thing is, even if you record a bunch of useless data, you can always turn those parameters off when you review the file, and only view the PID's you want to see.

This is all free software.

You've provided some very valuable info and have been very helpful to say the very least. In the meantime, I'll be doing further research thru the links you provided regarding the wideband cable, software and what PID's are required for doing a data log file. As for the 02 bung? Both my rear 02 sensors are shut off due to running O/R so I can just go ahead and use them for my wideband readings just as you mentioned. The hard part, of course, is finding a buddy to ride shotgun to assist with the actual data logging while I'm driving lol.

If you go to their page and click on their programmers and custom calibrations and click on email tune and I clicked on just the one N/A tune and one of the drop downs has datalogging +$200 WTF! Also when i first got their cams 4 years ago, there was no extra charge for having cams and the tune was only $100. Also it was shit for my car. Couldn't even drive on it barely idled, popped and sputtered. They said I installed the cams wrong and timing must be off. Loaded my BAMA tune and it ran fine. BAMA's was actually better.

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Yes, I know as I already addressed this in post #23. Guess you must have overlooked it lol. But thanks for providing the page from their website anyhow

When I said 2v and 4v I meant on 4.6s. I'm not sure on the 5.4 and 5.8 and I know he does not do Coyotes. And yes, this thread is far gone now.


There are quite a few PIDs (more than 600 for our cars) that are available in livelink and a tuner will have you log 18-20 PIDs. Of those 18-20 I'm not sure which ones are available for logging with just the handheld. I haven't tried this because I used a laptop for my logs but doing this all with the handheld would be easier than lugging a laptop around.

To get data from your wideband, you need to connect this cable from the wideband controller to the handheld. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...d3ofjOW9OLYoOl9sv9a9YWobW6XxgwX4aAgLBEALw_wcB

I understood what you meant regarding the 2v and 4v as on the 4.6s which was the reason I also included the 3vs. However, I'm not quite sure what your definition of this thread as far gone now means? First of all, I find the info that both 702GT and yourself have provided in this thread as very helpful, as I have no previous knowledge/experience when it comes to data logging nor understanding how to get started as far as what procedures are required, which parameters are going to be required by whomever is going to write the tuning file nor do I have any idea what PIDs are whatsoever. Anyhow as previously mentioned, I do not own a laptop PC nor have I ever owned one as my preference has always been desktop PCs for various reasons regarding my particular application needs. Therefore I'm not sure as to how many PIDs are available for logging with an SCT X-4 programmer, as I have no idea. I suppose if it can't handle between 18-20 PIDs as you just mentioned? Then it would appear there would be no other option available but to purchase a laptop.

At any rate, thanks for your feedback and support. Also, my apologies for any thread hijacking on my part, as it wasn't intentional.

 

[46addict]

I understood what you meant regarding the 2v and 4v as on the 4.6s which was the reason I also included the 3vs. However, I'm not quite sure what your definition of this thread as far gone now means? First of all, I find the info that both 702GT and yourself have provided in this thread as very helpful, as I have no previous knowledge/experience when it comes to data logging nor understanding how to get started as far as what procedures are required, which parameters are going to be required by whomever is going to write the tuning file nor do I have any idea what PIDs are whatsoever. Anyhow as previously mentioned, I do not own a laptop PC nor have I ever owned one as my preference has always been desktop PCs for various reasons regarding my particular application needs. Therefore I'm not sure as to how many PIDs are available for logging with an SCT X-4 programmer, as I have no idea. I suppose if it can't handle between 18-20 PIDs as you just mentioned? Then it would appear there would be no other option available but to purchase a laptop.

At any rate, thanks for your feedback and support. Also, my apologies for any thread hijacking on my part, as it wasn't intentional.

Sorry my comment on the thread being gone was meant to be taken lightly. I was agreeing with 702GT in saying that this thread is hijacked, and I am part of the reason why it got hijacked. But I'm glad you found this conversation helpful. "PID" is just a way of describing the parameter(s) that you are logging. When you compare the list of PIDs available in the Livelink software versus what is in the programmer, you'll notice the list in the programmer is condensed.

If one could load the config file (which specifies which PIDs to log) into the programmer from your desktop PC like 702GT is saying, then there is no need to use a laptop for logging. I just haven't tried logging this way so you will have to verify.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

I most definitely find the info both you and 702GT have provided for sure. In the meantime, I'll look into what steps are required to load the config files into the X4 Programmer and hopefully it'll be able to handle the list of PIDs required in order to create a data log for writing a custom remote tune file

As for the comment posted, I was just a bit confused with the interpretation lol. At any rate, I'm also part of the reason for the thread hijacking as well, despite that it wasn't intentional, as my main purpose was to provide feedback and support for the OP

 

[EBABlacknChrome]

There is a recent post saying just that, Brenspeed refuses to data log and said there tunes are perfect as is.

Yeah that was me! Told me twice the tune is tried & true. "We don't data log man like others do, there's no need our tunes are top notch."

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[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Yeah that was me! Told me twice the tune is tried & true. "We don't data log man like others do, there's no need our tunes are top notch."

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If their mail order/canned tunes are so top notch as they claim? there shouldn't be a need for offering remote data logging for their N/A tunes, to begin with, but yet they do despite not offering it for their mail order SC/Turbo/N02 tunes which IMHO should be offered. Seems to me when somebody makes claims about no need to data log like others do because our tunes are tried and true and top notch, isn't providing any actual real facts to back up what they claim, but rather provide nothing more than just a bunch of marketing hype instead lol.

 

[702GT]

If their mail order/canned tunes are so top notch as they claim? there shouldn't be a need for offering remote data logging for their N/A tunes, to begin with, but yet they do despite not offering it for their mail order SC/Turbo/N02 tunes which IMHO should be offered. Seems to me when somebody makes claims about no need to data log like others do because our tunes are tried and true and top notch, isn't providing any actual real facts to back up what they claim, but rather provide nothing more than just a bunch of marketing hype instead lol.

I have to agree. I don't care how good a tuner is, if a tune is spot on out of the gate, it's 50% skill 50% luck in the best case. 100% luck in the worst case. My tuner has been tuning Mustang's for over a decade, nearly 20 years. He can cut a tune for anything that will get it running well enough to drive to the dyno. Beyond that, he insists on seeing the data log. The more custom the modifications, the harder it is to tune without seeing the logs. I think it's actually funny that Brenspeed only offers N2O tuning up to a 75 shot. When I ran spray, I ran my NA tune for a 75 shot. No need to retard timing, just add fuel via your fuel jet. Unless your NA tune rides the razor edge, I guess. IMO a nitrous tune is possibly the easiest tune to cut, but I understand their reluctant due to the numerous people who don't educated themselves about how spray works and how to use it responsibly.

NA tune's are usually pretty simply, but when you're working with cams, port jobs, different length/sizes of LT headers, it does get tricky. My tuner once told me any monkey can tune WOT and yield results. A tuner's real job is to make the car perform everywhere else. Closed loop is easy, it's all commanded values. Open loop can be a bitch, especially with a cam rocking the boat. If people can get a canned tune for cams that works great on the first try; more power to them. I would still want my shit logged and reviewed (on top of reviewing it myself). I've spotted things my tuner has overlooked before, like a small dip in the torque curve and I went back through the data logs looking at that section of rpm where the dip occurred and found timing was being pulled. He made some minor adjustments, no more torque curve dip. Probably could have drove the car forever and never felt it unless it managed to knock. But to each their own. All I know, is don't skimp on your tunes. ~$400 determines the lifespan of your $x,xxx-$xx,xxx investment.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Totally spot on and couldn't agree more

 

[07 Boss]

I have to agree. I don't care how good a tuner is, if a tune is spot on out of the gate, it's 50% skill 50% luck in the best case. 100% luck in the worst case. My tuner has been tuning Mustang's for over a decade, nearly 20 years. He can cut a tune for anything that will get it running well enough to drive to the dyno. Beyond that, he insists on seeing the data log. The more custom the modifications, the harder it is to tune without seeing the logs. I think it's actually funny that Brenspeed only offers N2O tuning up to a 75 shot. When I ran spray, I ran my NA tune for a 75 shot. No need to retard timing, just add fuel via your fuel jet. Unless your NA tune rides the razor edge, I guess. IMO a nitrous tune is possibly the easiest tune to cut, but I understand their reluctant due to the numerous people who don't educated themselves about how spray works and how to use it responsibly.

NA tune's are usually pretty simply, but when you're working with cams, port jobs, different length/sizes of LT headers, it does get tricky. My tuner once told me any monkey can tune WOT and yield results. A tuner's real job is to make the car perform everywhere else. Closed loop is easy, it's all commanded values. Open loop can be a bitch, especially with a cam rocking the boat. If people can get a canned tune for cams that works great on the first try; more power to them. I would still want my shit logged and reviewed (on top of reviewing it myself). I've spotted things my tuner has overlooked before, like a small dip in the torque curve and I went back through the data logs looking at that section of rpm where the dip occurred and found timing was being pulled. He made some minor adjustments, no more torque curve dip. Probably could have drove the car forever and never felt it unless it managed to knock. But to each their own. All I know, is don't skimp on your tunes. ~$400 determines the lifespan of your $x,xxx-$xx,xxx investment.

Are you using someone local for tuning? I'm thinking about going with Frank at Voodoo Racing.

 

[702GT]

Are you using someone local for tuning? I'm thinking about going with Frank at Voodoo Racing.

His name's Carl. He worked for Dynojet here in town for a good while, not sure if he still does or if he's moved on, haven't talked to him in years but I know he's still tuning. I could tell you some stories about Frank but they're all one-sided. Since I haven't been in that scene in a while, perhaps his reputation has changed for the better. I'm trying to avoid stirring the pot on this one, but IMO, try to hunt down Carl first. I can only speak from personal experience that Carl's the only one in town on my list of people I'd trust tuning my cars. Way back in the day, Gil Navarez of Shelby American, formerly of NRP, would be my second go-to. Don't know if Gil tunes for Shelby still or if he's off the grid. Really not much in the way of options in Vegas atm. I always kicked the tires with Carl about apprenticing under him, at one point he was getting pretty tired of tuning plus his 9-5 job with Dynojet (12-14 hour days if he did a tune after work). But the cost of software and the fact that tuning really wasn't a lucrative career shut that idea down. Wish I had bit the bullet on it, would make a decent side-gig.

 

[07 Boss]

His name's Carl. He worked for Dynojet here in town for a good while, not sure if he still does or if he's moved on, haven't talked to him in years but I know he's still tuning. I could tell you some stories about Frank but they're all one-sided. Since I haven't been in that scene in a while, perhaps his reputation has changed for the better. I'm trying to avoid stirring the pot on this one, but IMO, try to hunt down Carl first. I can only speak from personal experience that Carl's the only one in town on my list of people I'd trust tuning my cars. Way back in the day, Gil Navarez of Shelby American, formerly of NRP, would be my second go-to. Don't know if Gil tunes for Shelby still or if he's off the grid. Really not much in the way of options in Vegas atm. I always kicked the tires with Carl about apprenticing under him, at one point he was getting pretty tired of tuning plus his 9-5 job with Dynojet (12-14 hour days if he did a tune after work). But the cost of software and the fact that tuning really wasn't a lucrative career shut that idea down. Wish I had bit the bullet on it, would make a decent side-gig.

I'll try and look him up I have a tune by Gil from years ago. I used to run his tune but switched because my smog tune from Lund was getting slightly better gas mileage. I'm trying to track down and issue without data logging so i thought that maybe I could throw it on a dyno to see whats up and maybe get a new tune too. Only reason why I thought about Frank is that I know him from the track. I've read some stuff about Voodoo from a few years back which made me kind of skeptical as far as his business practices but I heard he is a pretty good tuner. He does some pretty fast cars out of his shop. But I will look for Carl and then try and get in with Shelby and Gil. Getting dyno time at Shelby America can take weeks sometimes.