Getting S197's into the 12's

[Wes]

I think the lockouts kill your lower end hp/tq numbers because they don't allow the variable came adjustment that happens on these engines, I also don't think they are necessary with the stage 1 cams but I could be wrong on both accounts? I am still researching these fancy 3v's I am used to my simple push rod 5.0

You're close and I am with ya man on the 5.0s... none of this variable cam, manifold runner crap and loss of displacement. That being said there are quite a few more tricks I can pull with the latest technology to help that little 4.6 out.

The cam retard will help you with creating a natural EGR at cruise that allows for greater economy. In general there are gains to be had retarding from 0-20* at WOT (which the limiters allow you to work within). The same cam principles apply to the 5.0, it is just that you had to make a tradeoff when you installed that sucker and couldn't move it.

The other issue with the VCT is durability. I've had a few sets broken with the blower cars that hit hard. With a cam that gets the pistons close to the valves having a little safety net is often worth giving up some power.

VCT is a huge discussion, lots of things going on with it but those are the high points. I've had the opportunity to do a lot of back to back testing with the cam angle on various combos.

Wes

 

[Freaknazty]

I must have a factory freak that is unusually slow...

I see guys like Chad and Matt and I want to light my car on fucking fire! The amount of hardware I have added to my car is borderline absurd, and I am running 12.5's. WTF? Can I really be that bad a driver?

I need to put a "good driver" in the driver's seat of my car and see what happens.

Not necessarily mark you of all people should know more parts don't always equal faster cars .... believe me im one of the slow ones lmao . I see alot of guys who need to tweak their current setup to get better times not just throw another part at it . Just be happy you don't own mine mine is a factory freak for shit breaking lol , at the rate im at now i will only have stock body panels on this thing by the time it hits 15,000 miles . In all honesty though alot comes into play as far as luck , skill , temp , track prep ect. and if your track is anything near as shitty as no problem can be at times then i feel for ya ....... wanna know what i ran last time out at the track ? a 12.7 @ 119 2.0 60' .....sweet for a 500hp car right ?

 

[rednek01]

You're close and I am with ya man on the 5.0s... none of this variable cam, manifold runner crap and loss of displacement. That being said there are quite a few more tricks I can pull with the latest technology to help that little 4.6 out.

The cam retard will help you with creating a natural EGR at cruise that allows for greater economy. In general there are gains to be had retarding from 0-20* at WOT (which the limiters allow you to work within). The same cam principles apply to the 5.0, it is just that you had to make a tradeoff when you installed that sucker and couldn't move it.

The other issue with the VCT is durability. I've had a few sets broken with the blower cars that hit hard. With a cam that gets the pistons close to the valves having a little safety net is often worth giving up some power.

VCT is a huge discussion, lots of things going on with it but those are the high points. I've had the opportunity to do a lot of back to back testing with the cam angle on various combos.

Wes

Ok that makes a lot of sense thanks for the explanation, let me see if I understand the lock outs basically degree in the cam so it acts like a 5.0's cam where once its set its set where as without the lockouts or with limiters the came can change what degree its in slightly. Pretty neat

 

[Freaknazty]

let me see if I understand the lock outs basically degree in the cam so it acts like a 5.0's cam where once its set its set where as without the lockouts or with limiters the came can change what degree its in slightly. Pretty neat

correct , lockouts do exactly as stated locks out the vct , limiters basically same concept limits it to 20* motion , so with your mild cams and locking them out it is a good safety precaution but is kinda overkill you could run them with limiters and still be fine and would allow the cam to still degree itself to 20* motion

 

[rednek01]

correct , lockouts do exactly as stated locks out the vct , limiters basically same concept limits it to 20* motion , so with your mild cams and locking them out it is a good safety precaution but is kinda overkill you could run them with limiters and still be fine and would allow the cam to still degree itself to 20* motion

Cool well I learned something new today so I am going home!

 

[chad05gt]

Not necessarily mark you of all people should know more parts don't always equal faster cars .... believe me im one of the slow ones lmao . I see alot of guys who need to tweak their current setup to get better times not just throw another part at it .




nope, you're right.

 

[Freaknazty]

Not necessarily mark you of all people should know more parts don't always equal faster cars .... believe me im one of the slow ones lmao . I see alot of guys who need to tweak their current setup to get better times not just throw another part at it .




nope, you're right.

i can't say shit chad i haven't had the same setup twice at the track .... am in not bullshitting either the car has never been run 2 seprate days with the same combo on the car since it was stock ...... problem is i don't go often enough though and i like modding this damn thing too much it's worse than crack i swear

 

[Wes]

it's worse than crack i swear

So that is why you are so crazy! Now the truth comes out.

 

[Freaknazty]

So that is why you are so crazy! Now the truth comes out.

LOL no that is from the younger years with all that psychedelic shit

 

[chad05gt]

Finally explains that 'twitch'! LOL

 

[Freaknazty]

Finally explains that 'twitch'! LOL

LMAO shhhhhhhhh dammit im taking " NEW " pills now to help that out

 

[marcspaz]

You guys are too funny.

I think I am in the same boat. I mod to frequently and don't get enough seat time with any one setup. The longest I had a single setup for was for 4 trips to the track in 2 months.

I know I can get my ET's down with more seat time. I need to learn how to come out of the hole first. I'll work on the other stuff later... LOL

Not necessarily mark you of all people should know more parts don't always equal faster cars .... believe me im one of the slow ones lmao . I see alot of guys who need to tweak their current setup to get better times not just throw another part at it . Just be happy you don't own mine mine is a factory freak for shit breaking lol , at the rate im at now i will only have stock body panels on this thing by the time it hits 15,000 miles . In all honesty though alot comes into play as far as luck , skill , temp , track prep ect. and if your track is anything near as shitty as no problem can be at times then i feel for ya ....... wanna know what i ran last time out at the track ? a 12.7 @ 119 2.0 60' .....sweet for a 500hp car right ?

Don't feel to bad bro. My friend Bill has a vert w/475 at the wheels and he can't get out of the 13.5's +. He loves it though, so I guess that's all that counts.

 

[EagleStroker]

Don't feel to bad bro. My friend Bill has a vert w/475 at the wheels and he can't get out of the 13.5's +. He loves it though, so I guess that's all that counts.

My name is Robert, and I fall into this category Got to much tied up in it, but damn I love this car. One day I'll work on that driver mod....

 

[Freaknazty]

I need to learn how to come out of the hole first.

THIS is my biggest problem and i can tell you the fact that the setup is changed every time has alot to do with it man

i only manage to get maybe 4-6 runs per trip here so by the 3rd run or so i start to feel out the track and what i need to do but by that time so many street cars have run or wiped out or broke the track prep is garbage and it's time to leave , then on top of that with my work schedule i only make it out to there give or take 5-10 times per year so that doesn't help either

 

[marcspaz]

My name is Robert, and I fall into this category Got to much tied up in it, but damn I love this car. One day I'll work on that driver mod....

LOL, it sounds like AA. We need to have a support group too.

Racing and Modifiers Anonymous (or RMA)... Hello, my name is Marc. It has been 15 days since my last mod. This morning I reach a milestone and threw away my "Personal Best" time slip...

Audience -->

THIS is my biggest problem and i can tell you the fact that the setup is changed every time has alot to do with it man

i only manage to get maybe 4-6 runs per trip here so by the 3rd run or so i start to feel out the track and what i need to do but by that time so many street cars have run or wiped out or broke the track prep is garbage and it's time to leave , then on top of that with my work schedule i only make it out to there give or take 5-10 times per year so that doesn't help either

Dude, you need a different job. I don't work on Wednesday nights or Friday and Saturday. Those are track days. My boss completely understands.

 

[chad05gt]

LOL, it sounds like AA. We need to have a support group too.

Racing and Modifiers Anonymous (or RMA)... Hello, my name is Marc. It has been 15 days since my last mod. This morning I reach a milestone and threw away my "Personal Best" time slip...

Audience -->

THAT's good StufF!!​

 

[Freaknazty]

Dude, you need a different job. I don't work on Wednesday nights or Friday and Saturday. Those are track days. My boss completely understands.

tell me about it im working on it though ....got a little trick up my sleeve hopefully i light a big enough fire up someones ass here real soon and i will be opening up my own company

it's still in the " planning " phase right now though ...... licenses , building , permits , equipment , yaa yada yada

then i can be like sawyer screaming 70K BITCHES



anyway back to our regularly scheduled broadcast ........

Hi my name is Beau and it has been 3 days since my last mod(s) and sadly enough i will be buying another one tonight/tomorrow depending on how my tuner likes this new controller

 

[marcspaz]

LOL!!!

 

[chad05gt]

1 question... is here something INthis controller???11

May be thata way weekend of the 12th; maybe go break something?


My name is Chad, currently fabbing/modding front PJ fasia w/ GT500KR lower grille w/ brake duct vents and adding GT500 splitter
( need to be a little lower, block all that air, and be able to STOP at Sealy event; going w/ 28" dr's on stockers w/ 205/35/17 on front... skinny, but still some stopping ), taking off heavy shit, ... In a constant flux of break, add, break, add, break, add, bread, ark, ... dammit, forgot my pill... and why is there orange dust in my pocket???

 

[EagleStroker]

LOL, it sounds like AA. We need to have a support group too.

Racing and Modifiers Anonymous (or RMA)... Hello, my name is Marc. It has been 15 days since my last mod. This morning I reach a milestone and threw away my "Personal Best" time slip...

Audience -->

This is to funny

My name is Robert, it's been a few days since my last mod on the Mustang. I'm currently building a blown Briggs and Stratton pit bike on a stripped down golf kart chassis to fulfill my need for cheap power.