e85 upgrade,maybe,maybe not?

[blownGTvert]

You will have to turn the boost down to make the same power as you are now.

I wouldn't see the purpose in a new fuel system, what you have will handle what you have in mind with a safety margin. I'd guess that more headroom could be had with a -8 line. I wonder if anyone has drilled out the small hole common to the fuel rail connector? It would probably make a difference.

As you know your datalogs will tell you if the fuel system is getting close to being maxed out.

I took a set of stock rails, cut the cross over barb off, and drilled it out as far as as possible. Tig welded male 8an fittings on each rail so 8an crossover line can be used. Also welded an 8an fitting on in place of the main oem fuel connector. Finally I drilled out each injector port to .50". These modified stock rails will flow a lot more. I'm running a return system now so I will let these go cheap if anyone has a use for them.

 

[one eyed willy]

i have fore rails,didnt think they would play a huge part in this.

 

[one eyed willy]

I don't know that this makes any difference, but am i better off doing a "y"into the fuel rails or keeping the 1 in and going to the crossover?

I currently have the EFI adapter fitting on my stock fuel line to replace the stock fuel line at the rails....if i replace my fuel line with a larger line, will that adapter work on my hat? im thinking it would but haven't looked at it yet. I want to move the EFI adapter to the hat and run a bigger line from the hat to the front with a filter...possible go into a "y" block to split off to each rail.

 

[01yellerCobra]

I think the Fore rail kits still use the single inlet with the cross over set up. That's what made me go with basically a single feed for mine. The line runs to a T on the passenger rail and then I have a 90 on the driver side. No problems so far. At least with gas. I don't know how it'll act with E85.

 

[one eyed willy]

mine have a port at each end of the rail.

 

[BruceH]

What I paid per gallon for E85 last night. Fuck yeah!!

E85 here is $2.89 and never seems to change.

By me it's $3.19 cash and $3.29 credit...still cheaper than most stations 87 octane.

I pay about the same as 87 or 92 depending. The local station doesn't have competition and gets plenty of business so I'm totally at his mercy. I can get drums shipped for about $3.7x iirc. Still might do it but for now I just pay what the man prices it at.

The last fill up was over $4 a gallon. My mixed driving work commute is running right at 13mpg. Gas was 15.5. That means I'm using about 19% more e85 than 92 octane with my Big Bore supercharged setup during mixed urban driving. Lots of sitting and idling due to ongoing construction at work. I'd imagine at least 1mpg better if the time driving on the factory grounds wasn't included.

Even at $4 a gallon it's still very cheap insurance. The extra power is worth it too.

 

[Timmbo]

Yeah Bruce I love running E85. The safety factor was the number 1 selling point for me. At 16 psi of boost, a bad batch of 93 could make the difference between blow or go lol! Plus since I'm setup for E85 I can still crank up the boost to 20 psi should I get the itch. The only thing holding me back in going for more is the TTY head bolts. I'm getting around 10-11 mpg on E85. But at 2.70 a gallon it's no biggie. I have never seen it over 3 bucks a gallon around here.

 

[JoshK]

E85 is $2.48 here today.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

The only real disadvantages to e85 is how much more often I have to fill up and having to plan long trips around stations that carry it. Both could be eased with a larger or auxiliary fuel tank.

Other than that I friggin love it.

 

[BruceH]

Yeah Bruce I love running E85. The safety factor was the number 1 selling point for me. At 16 psi of boost, a bad batch of 93 could make the difference between blow or go lol! Plus since I'm setup for E85 I can still crank up the boost to 20 psi should I get the itch. The only thing holding me back in going for more is the TTY head bolts. I'm getting around 10-11 mpg on E85. But at 2.70 a gallon it's no biggie. I have never seen it over 3 bucks a gallon around here.

FWIW I've gone as high as 19psi on stock head bolts. A friend of mine ran 23psi with no ill effects. Ford specs some fairly stout parts imo. From what I understand other manufacturers headbolts will stretch around 6psi so people think that all manufacturers must use the same parts with the same specs and therefore they need studs.

Obviously it's your car and your money but I wouldn't think twice about 20psi with stock tty head bolts.

 

[crownaviation]

I would check things out when searching for injectors. Some do not play nice with e85. My ID1000 were awesome on the corn. The ID2000 now come with a card (well they did a few months ago) saying you should not let e85 sit in the system for extended periods of time (like a couple weeks max) or they can stick. FML.. they are the injector I really wanted to use but my car DOES sit and I will be DAMNED if I need to flush my fuel system every couple weeks to use them. You CAN NOT USE OXYGENATED fuel with ID2000 either (like q16)..

I was told the ID1300 (unfortunately went up in price) are fine no matter what. But, that will likely put a kink in my power goals. FML

I love the corn tho.. and will not run anything else unless something drastic happens

 

[BruceH]

Bobby, every slugfest I have seen between ID and the "other guy" has not ended well for the "other guy". My point being that they do a great job detailing why their injector is worth the money paid VS the the other guy claiming his cheaper injector is just as good.

There is a buyer for every price point. Kicking that dog gets you nothing.

I have a story for you. It happened on a tuning forum. Someone posted pictures of the Bosch Racing injectors I was using along with the part number. ID came back and said they were snowmobile injectors. Someone else corrected him and showed a picture of what he said they were. Then ID posted a chart that compared the linerarity of my injectors with ID from a test done in house by ID.

How would they of tested the injectors I had when they thought they were snowmobile injectors?

Bosch is a quality injector. Flow testing and batch sorting is a good thing. IMO ID are a very good deal for the tuner. They have great value files and they are map priced. The tuner is always going to profit from them when he sells a set. He's also going to be guaranteed there won't be injector issues to deal with.

I don't think that anyone could say anything bad about ID because they are a great injector. However, I have seen ID bashing other companies who have been selling flow matched injectors for much longer that ID has been in business. Maybe things have changed but ID never let a chance to bash the competition go by. That was my biggest turn off. Add in the facts that I was able to purchase Bosch Racing injectors that were flow matched by Bosch, (they use a colored dot to segregate their in house racing injectors by flow) verified flow by the injector shop that sold them, Flowed 95lbs at 3 bar and 127 at 4 bar, came with everything needed for my application, and only cost me $636.

That was enough for me to "take a chance". They worked very well. Right up there with other flow matched injectors I purchased from the same injector shop.

 

[weather man]

I have a story for you. It happened on a tuning forum. Someone posted pictures of the Bosch Racing injectors I was using along with the part number. ID came back and said they were snowmobile injectors. Someone else corrected him and showed a picture of what he said they were. Then ID posted a chart that compared the linerarity of my injectors with ID from a test done in house by ID.

How would they of tested the injectors I had when they thought they were snowmobile injectors?

Bosch is a quality injector. Flow testing and batch sorting is a good thing. IMO ID are a very good deal for the tuner. They have great value files and they are map priced. The tuner is always going to profit from them when he sells a set. He's also going to be guaranteed there won't be injector issues to deal with.

I don't think that anyone could say anything bad about ID because they are a great injector. However, I have seen ID bashing other companies who have been selling flow matched injectors for much longer that ID has been in business. Maybe things have changed but ID never let a chance to bash the competition go by. That was my biggest turn off. Add in the facts that I was able to purchase Bosch Racing injectors that were flow matched by Bosch, (they use a colored dot to segregate their in house racing injectors by flow) verified flow by the injector shop that sold them, Flowed 95lbs at 3 bar and 127 at 4 bar, came with everything needed for my application, and only cost me $636.

That was enough for me to "take a chance". They worked very well. Right up there with other flow matched injectors I purchased from the same injector shop.

I suspect, from reading, that they have had enough injectors shipped to them with the story "my tuner said as good as you, but I have a problem" that they get a little cranky.

If someone spends less and has a good result, hell yah! ID backs up the talk with product and technical prowess. The other guys I have seen making the claims have not backed up the "as good as" with tech that would make their claim believable. That is not to say the injectors they sell won't work acceptably well.

 

[BruceH]

I suspect, from reading, that they have had enough injectors shipped to them with the story "my tuner said as good as you, but I have a problem" that they get a little cranky.

If someone spends less and has a good result, hell yah! ID backs up the talk with product and technical prowess. The other guys I have seen making the claims have not backed up the "as good as" with tech that would make their claim believable. That is not to say the injectors they sell won't work acceptably well.

Backs what up? They flow test and resell new Bosch injectors. Unless I'm missing something. Except at one time they said they manufactured them and or converted them.

I want to make sure I'm not misinterpreting what you are posting. Are you saying that people return injectors to ID that they didn't buy from them and expect replacements?

 

[Dubstep Shep]

ID bashes other companies because there have been other companies that have tried to say they were as good as ID and were clearly not.

I can say that I looked at several brands, and Lito suggested ID and only ID. He's the tuner and clearly preferred those.

 

[weather man]

Backs what up? They flow test and resell new Bosch injectors. Unless I'm missing something. Except at one time they said they manufactured them and or converted them.

I want to make sure I'm not misinterpreting what you are posting. Are you saying that people return injectors to ID that they didn't buy from them and expect replacements?

No, people ship injectors to them and ask what is wrong with them.
Injectors that were supposed to be matched, turn out to be not so much.

Not telling you anything new that big injectors at idle don't have to have much difference to not idle for shit, or worst case leave one cylinder way to lean on top. This might reflect that there are plenty of shady vendors handling injectors who have no business doing so.

 

[BruceH]

No, people ship injectors to them and ask what is wrong with them.
Injectors that were supposed to be matched, turn out to be not so much.

Not telling you anything new that big injectors at idle don't have to have much difference to not idle for shit, or worst case leave one cylinder way to lean on top. This might reflect that there are plenty of shady vendors handling injectors who have no business doing so.

I wonder why someone would do that? I had a problem with factory new sd injectors once and got an rma from the shop I purchased them from. They gave me a full refund. The last thing I'd think of doing is sending them to a vendor I didn't buy them from. Maybe if they were a shop that does repair work like the one I buy from.

Does ID run a repair shop for cleaning and modifying injectors? I've been to their site and haven't seen that advertised.

 

[weather man]

I wonder why someone would do that? I had a problem with factory new sd injectors once and got an rma from the shop I purchased them from. They gave me a full refund. The last thing I'd think of doing is sending them to a vendor I didn't buy them from. Maybe if they were a shop that does repair work like the one I buy from.

Does ID run a repair shop for cleaning and modifying injectors? I've been to their site and haven't seen that advertised.

Not sure Bruce, most of what I remember was from when I was researching them and reading a lot of rice and corvette forum stuff. I will say that they quickly answered all my emails when I contacted them...did impress me.

Sorry for the derail one eyed willy.

 

[BruceH]

Not sure Bruce, most of what I remember was from when I was researching them and reading a lot of rice and corvette forum stuff. I will say that they quickly answered all my emails when I contacted them...did impress me.

Sorry for the derail one eyed willy.

I'm sorry too. Should of had this discussion with a pm.

 

[one eyed willy]

so, made a datalog at what i thought was 17psi! turned out to be closer to 19.....i think i have found the limit of the 93 so i plan to back the boost controller down a notch to make sure it does not go over 17psi on the 93 tune. it pulled a hair of timing so time to back it down!

seems like my fuel pump duty cycle is crazy low, 34-36 which is strange, thought it would be much higher,may have to investigate.....it pulled like a freight train is all i know at this point!

took 1.4 seconds and only 500 rpm to go from zero PSI's to 17, ill take that!