Fuck this car.

[05stroker]

Wow.

Just wow.

$2500 to repair the motor.

No warranty.

No claims of responsibility.

Lots of finger pointing.

I'm too pissed to discuss it right now.

Time to name the sources !

 

[05xgt]

IMO it's NOT the car, but rather those involved with the build, parts supplier, and or tune. Does your "Bill" expressly state NO WARRANTY? If not you may be covered under your State's Laws, ie; mandatory warranty periods. Might be worth looking into. GL

 

[Freaknazty]

IMO it's NOT the car, but rather those involved with the build, parts supplier, and or tune. Does your "Bill" expressly state NO WARRANTY? If not you may be covered under your State's Laws, ie; mandatory warranty periods. Might be worth looking into. GL

Dunno if you have even done a dyno tune but it states in big bold letters sorry bout your luck if this fucker blows its right there on the dyno release you sign before it gets loaded on there , it's even harder to get anything accomplished if the build consisted of numerous companies because guess what they all know ways to blame it on the other part ....

 

[05RedDevil]

What all would be rebuilt for $2500?
Would you let someone else take this headache off your hands for the cost or repair, , labor (removal from your car), shipping, and a case of beer?

 

[rford426]

thank god my state has no emissions so i can throw out my cats -.-

amen to that!!!

 

[bolted3v]

any way possible you can make public the name of the shop?

 

[V8SRGR8]

The engine is currently at the builder. Per the terms of the "warranty", it was removed and shipped to them for inspection (at my expense, of course). So, yes, there is a "warranty", but they are choosing not to honor it. It seems my only reasonable option is to shell out another $1700 in labor and $800 for custom pistons to the builder to fix it.

As far as my tuner goes - he has many, many, many cars with lesser, stock engines making similar boost & power on pump gas. This very expensive engine should not have failed, but it did.

Despite this fact, the builder is still blaming the tuner, and choosing not to honor the warranty. It's so fucking typical.

 

[tmcolegr]

Why are you being so vague and/or secretive about what failed? You don't need to throw your tuner or builder under the bus but everyone has asked you numerous times what failed. Why won't you answer the question? Some pics would be nice.

 

[V8SRGR8]

I'm trying not to throw anyone under the bus. I was trying to give everyone time to resolve it, but it seems I'm left holding the bag this time.

This engine is a Livernois 298 stroker. The ringlands failed, but only on one side of the motor. The story has changed multiple times. When one theory was disproved, it changed to something else. I don't know what or whom to believe at this point.

I don't have pics as of right now, because it's at their facility. They have promised me pics. As of yesterday, nobody can conclusively tell me why it failed, only speculate. Livernois tells me they did their part, and after interrogating my tuner, say it sounds like he did his. I have faith in the tuner. He does not melt or grenade engines. How two pieces of piston got into the oil pan remains a mystery. The pistons are being sent to Mahle to be inspected, but I can only imagine in about a months time, I will have yet another party denying any wrongdoing and pointing the finger at everybody else.

I had faith in the process, and believed them when they told me they've never had a failure like this, and "these engines don't come back". That story changed as well when we spoke to the builder two days ago.

I don't want this to turn into a bash thread. I'm trying to stick to the facts.

 

[lostsoul]

I know how you feel. Thats why I had everything done at one shop. Even then they ended tuning a built car that should of has 550+rwhp into a 470 or less. Too many BS people in this type of work and I'm on my last straw.

 

[firestang70]

I hope they make it right. I hope they realize there are many people who haven't went forged like myself, it might make my decision alot easier down the road. Good luck man, hope it works out.

 

[Miracle]

I'm with firestang... I haven't done forged internals, and have been looking VERY HEAVILY into Livernois for the parts to do so.

Subscribed.

 

[V8SRGR8]

Here are the photos of the pistons we took the day it was pulled. We cleaned the piston tops to check for any pitting that would show detonation. We did not see anything noteworthy. These are only the driver's side pistons, as the passenger side was perfect.

Here are the two fragments found in the oil pan.

 

[V8SRGR8]

Also check the cover of MM&FF.

Centri blower - 24psi on pump gas.

 

[Dan Millen]

Here are the photos of the pistons we took the day it was pulled. We cleaned the piston tops to check for any pitting that would show detonation. We did not see anything noteworthy. These are only the driver's side pistons, as the passenger side was perfect.
Here are the two fragments found in the oil pan.

I have been monitoring this thread very closely, our staff will look over the parts and see the root cause of the problem, Livernois stands behind what we build.

Just my first look at the pistons out of the engine It looks to me that this is a tuning issue. I have been tuning cars and racing for several years, and when I see stuff like this, it thows a flag. Most experienced engine guys know that when pistons come apart that its usually a result of tuning.


Now this is not our final determination I just wanted to get on here and show that someone from our shop is on it.

Thanks

Dan Millen

 

[Mike@PowerHouse]

I would like to see what you have when you get the pistons out..... It appears the upper ringland is good?
Are the parts from between the 1st and 2nd ring? That would be an unusual failure.

 

[saleen07gt]

Seems like if it was a tuning issue, both sides would be affected. Do tuners have the ability to adjust A/F ratio and timing on one bank only ?

 

[Dan Millen]

I would like to see what you have when you get the pistons out..... It appears the upper ringland is good?
Are the parts from between the 1st and 2nd ring? That would be an unusual failure.

The piston is out and the top ring lands are siezed, unless your local its gonna be hard to see the parts

Dan

 

[Mike@PowerHouse]

Usually the upper ringland takes the beating, but it appears all of those are intact (at least by the photos), and the pieces held in hand look to be from between the rings.

I think that you run an outstanding business and have only heard raves about your customer service so I am by no means trying to put anyone on the spot, I am just trying to understand the failure.

 

[Dan Millen]

Usually the upper ringland takes the beating, but it appears all of those are intact (at least by the photos), and the pieces held in hand look to be from between the rings.

I think that you run an outstanding business and have only heard raves about your customer service so I am by no means trying to put anyone on the spot, I am just trying to understand the failure.

No problem, We try and do what right. If its our fault we will take care of it guaranteed!

Dan