Fuck this car.

[07torchgt]

I just bought a Livernois Stroker. Can someone point me in the direction of a thread that actually makes me feel warm and tingly about my purchase? Thanks.

both here

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19482

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23425


livernois/mike took care of me

 

[SD07GT]

I said that because we saw perfect compression and no marks on the passenger side bank, while all four on the driver's side had marks on the walls and varying compression. Being that we were not allowed to disassemble the motor in any way, and they only sent me a photo of one damaged piston and one half of one, and one full set of my rings, I can only take their word for it. So there you go. Get mad at me if you want, but if you were in my position, you'd see why I feel the way I do.

That being said, I just got an email from Mike (Thanks, Mike). Mike, as stated before I still want an itemized invoice for the charges, and not just a number.

Thanks,

Josh

I cant ever do business with them ...they are coming across as a very shady business !

No one just sends you a bill without being itemized , thats just plain bad business, and you didn't even get to see pics of all eight cylinders just a few of them (lol) ...Ill take your word josh that the pass side cylinder walls were fine .

good luck !

 

[white05gt]

Whenever I get a bill or estimate that is just a number instead of being itemized, I stay away from them.

 

[V8SRGR8]

I'm not calling anyone a liar. Just stating the facts. All I have to go on is their word.

 

[mike@livernois]

That's bullshit. I am standing on the shop floor right now. The shop owner has contributed dozens of hours of labor for free. And will continue to do so to help his customer. Just because he doesn't want to eat the entire cost of a blown motor that many people believe was bad from your shop, that doesn't imply the owner isn't doing anything else to help.

You have big balls speaking for Mahle or Excessive, esp since you have zero input on what either company do...


Plus, Josh has been waiting for an itemized list to justify the $1700 labor charge for the repair, but you still haven't sent it. Why is that? That is all he is asking for, mostly because it seems WAY to high a rate...

Wow, sorry. I did not mean to offend you in anyway. I was not trying to get anybody worked up or anything. I think you misunderstood or maybe I was not clear enough. What I meant in Mahle or the tuner not helping any further had to do with the engine and nothing more. Livernois is working on the engine half and that is what part I was referring to. I did not perceive Mahle or the tuner as being involved with the engine part anymore. So that would just be between Livernois and the customer at that point. Any other work that the shop does on the car or donates I'm sure is massively appreciated by the customer. Kudos to them if they are helping the customer out too on that front.

As for the size of my balls I usually try to keep such personal matters to myself in most cases. lol. Just messing with you.

I sent the customer a message this morning asking him for what level of breakdown he would like. Labor, labor + parts, etc. I told him to whatever degree he would like I would offer a breakdown and to just let me know. So there is no problem in getting him a breakdown.

Again at this point I'm not trying to do anything other than work with the customer and to come to some sort of agreement that works. I will continue working with him until that happens. If there are other questions in the process though I would be glad to try and do my best to answer.

Thanks

 

[mike@livernois]

"It seems apparent that both Mahle and the tuner are not going to be at all further involved or contribute in any way."

Mike, please tell us how you know we are not helping josh out in this matter??????

Again sorry for the mis-wording on that. I only meant the engine part of the deal and not anything else. I was under the assumption that just Livernois and the customer would be dealing with the engine portion of everything. If you guys are working with the customer on the vehicle side I can only assume that he is very appreciative of that.

I did not mean to imply anything negative about you guys or what you are doing with the customer. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks

 

[EXC06GT]

Again sorry for the mis-wording on that. I only meant the engine part of the deal and not anything else. I was under the assumption that just Livernois and the customer would be dealing with the engine portion of everything. If you guys are working with the customer on the vehicle side I can only assume that he is very appreciative of that.

I did not mean to imply anything negative about you guys or what you are doing with the customer. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks

No problem.

 

[marcspaz]

...As for the size of my balls I usually try to keep such personal matters to myself in most cases. lol. Just messing with you...

All bullshit aside... that's funny.

 

[94tbird]

I just read this entire thread from start to finish and all i can say is wow. patiently waiting for a verdict on whats gonig to be done. I am a livernois customer myself and while everyone's experiences will vary, I have never been let down and they have always been available to answer my stupid questions

 

[Go-fast]

Isnt it a lil biased that only livernois can disassemble and inspect damage. Regardless of if it was there fault or not why would they take blame since only they know what really happened and what is really damaged and what's not?

 

[07torchgt]

I just read this entire thread from start to finish and all i can say is wow. patiently waiting for a verdict on whats gonig to be done. I am a livernois customer myself and while everyone's experiences will vary, I have never been let down and they have always been available to answer my stupid questions

same here, i was/have been/and am sure will be treated very well by Livernois

 

[stkjock]

All off topic comedy moved:

http://s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23738


Please let's stay on topic for the OP

 

[vinnybarber]

i'd like to ask some questions.
how many pulls on dyno
does motor have any miles on it
did you look at plugs after each pull
timing
did you have boost a pump

 

[V8SRGR8]

i'd like to ask some questions.
how many pulls on dyno - A few

does motor have any miles on it - 1000

did you look at plugs after each pull
timing - NO, but plugs were fine when pulled

did you have boost a pump YES, KB DUAL BAP

^^^^

 

[vinnybarber]

i have looked threw this thread and here is my advice for what it is worth.
you guys talk about cobras making 20 psi on pump gas. but it is like stuff in mag. you don't allways get the whole truth. who says they didn't use some kind of octain boost. that is a time bomb at that level.

i spent 2yrs before any of you even saw my car. i don't like seeing anyone stuff fail. i know how it feels. and the dollars it

when you start tuning to this level with tht 3v it is a different animal. you cannot tune each cylinder like you can a bigstuff. things fail. i had a short in my boost a pump once but we caught it before caused any damage.

i am not trying to upset you but to help everyone not have to go through this. when you start making this kind of power what heat range plug you use is important. those plugs should have been pulled after every dyno pull.

before i changed my computer i had 2 cylinders that ran hotter than the rest. we change the heat range twice.

when i look at the pics i see heat and detonaton. i would love to see plugs. beccause i bet if you look at the ceramic real close there is a light discoloration on a couple of them if not all.

even when we went two degrees colder with the plugs i had two cylinders that ran hotter than the rest and we had the factory computer still on there.

 

[05stroker]

i have looked threw this thread and here is my advice for what it is worth.
you guys talk about cobras making 20 psi on pump gas. but it is like stuff in mag. you don't allways get the whole truth. who says they didn't use some kind of octain boost. that is a time bomb at that level.

i spent 2yrs before any of you even saw my car. i don't like seeing anyone stuff fail. i know how it feels. and the dollars it

when you start tuning to this level with tht 3v it is a different animal. you cannot tune each cylinder like you can a bigstuff. things fail. i had a short in my boost a pump once but we caught it before caused any damage.

i am not trying to upset you but to help everyone not have to go through this. when you start making this kind of power what heat range plug you use is important. those plugs should have been pulled after every dyno pull.

before i changed my computer i had 2 cylinders that ran hotter than the rest. we change the heat range twice.

when i look at the pics i see heat and detonaton. i would love to see plugs. beccause i bet if you look at the ceramic real close there is a light discoloration on a couple of them if not all.

even when we went two degrees colder with the plugs i had two cylinders that ran hotter than the rest and we had the factory computer still on there.

What plugs where you useing , brand . heat ranges , ect ?

 

[SUHleen]

And what plugs did you end up using in the end?

 

[vinnybarber]

i still run brisk plugs. i have heard good and bad about them. and i have tried others in the begining.where most people make the mistake is they put then in and don't watch them close.

start with what you think you need and go from there. checking plugs is cheaper than a motor

 

[jeostang]

Do you check your plugs after every run down the track?

 

[vinnybarber]

when we had the factory computer we checked a couple on each side every pass. on a street motor i don't know if i would every pass but but i would till i knew it was right.