Manual to Auto 5.0 guys

[wazslow]

i own a mt-82, car was in the body shop for some one bumping into me and weirdly i got a mustang rental and of course it was an auto...honestly it was the lamest driving experience ever...sure it was kind of nice to just step & go...but it's just not the same as you have zero control over the car...i DONT car what anyone says the stupid little shift button does not make up for it in the slightest. it's really all preference, do you want to work a bit while driving, have TONS more control over your car and thus (to me) s more fun driving experience or do you just want to step and go?
thats the question you have to answer.

as for issues ZERO on my mt-82. while i think they are a tad finicky and there are a few bad apples, i think it's mostly people not driving it properly...i drove 7-8 different '13's & a few 12's and none have any of this issues people on the net complain about and moat of the drives were in cold weather below 40...no griding or hard/notchy shifting. like someone else said it ALL the trannys were bad or even most of them, ezclyding driver error, there would be law suits and the massive investigation that was done would have lead the class action law suit...i really think a lot of it's the driver *ducks out of the way of stones being thrown*

i will say that i think the early ones with the old fluid had a bit more problems...but still i wouldnt consider it an epdidemic.

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Try driving a tuned auto. I had one. When it shifts into second and your frying the tires its pretty fun.

 

[Norm Peterson]

The last time I "fried the tires" was in an automatic tranny car. over 45 years ago. In a 2-barrel 318 Dodge sedan with its 100% stock pushbutton Torqueflite, so frying the tires with at least twice as much power available and either a shift kit or a tune doesn't impress me at all.

It's little more than "intentionally programmed clumsiness" if you think in terms of manual clutch pedal operation.

There's more to "control" than putting in a polite request to the transmission control electronics to cause the next higher gear to be selected . . .


Norm

 

[wazslow]

The last time I "fried the tires" was in an automatic tranny car. over 45 years ago. In a 2-barrel 318 Dodge sedan with its 100% stock pushbutton Torqueflite, so frying the tires with at least twice as much power available and either a shift kit or a tune doesn't impress me at all.

It's little more than "intentionally programmed clumsiness" if you think in terms of manual clutch pedal operation.

There's more to "control" than putting in a polite request to the transmission control electronics to cause the next higher gear to be selected . . .


Norm

Lol! I just meant a tune makes the auto completly different with a 6R80. I have a stick 2013 now. If your going to take the car to the dragstrip alot get the auto. If you just want a fun street car get the stick.

 

[08GTCA]

I loved the 5sp manual in my 2008 GT, but after hearing about all the issues with the new 6sp MT82, i went with the Auto on my new 2012 GT. I am very surprised at how far the design of the automatic has improved since the old days. Since this is my Daily Driver and i commute in some slow and go traffic i love the new Auto 6sp.

 

[skulls]

I'm on my second MT-82 in my car(holding pretty strong tbh) but I am looking to go auto. But my only reason is, is because the car I'm looking at has everything I now want.
If I were to do it all over again, I would go auto and not look back.
Now don't get me wrong, I LOVE rowing through the gears and all that, but if I were to line up against almost any auto 5.0(around here at least), I would bet on them. Not saying I can't drive it, but I know what the auto's can do compared to the sticks.

if the only concern winning an illegal race on the street or legal e.t.'s on the occasional weekend, then auto is for you...i wont deny that, but its boring to drive and no matter what tune you throw at, you will NEVER have the control with it as a stick. currently the only non manual car i will take will be in the newest of the new super and hyper cars...but not in a mustang or similar car.

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[skulls]

Try driving a tuned auto. I had one. When it shifts into second and your frying the tires its pretty fun.

a tune may change it slightly, but it WONT GIVE you the control with manual...thats just facts. ;-) but for a lot if people an auto is great...but like i said autos are a bore to drive and give you basically no control.

but this topic is like debating color choice of a car ;-) it will be different for eaxh preferance.

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[FIVE-OH]

...but like i said autos are a bore to drive

You obviously haven't driven an auto with a good tune, or even more importantly with a nice converter then...

But hey, I'll take my "boring" auto over the junk manual I had before it any day...unlike most in this thread, I actually have owned both.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Some of the reasons that people who don't care for automatic transmissions can't be band-aided and made all better with a tune or a converter.

I know it'll be hard for some of the automatic transmission fans to understand this, but those mods in their current direction of development can make the automatic tranny even less desirable to some of us.


5point - it bothers me that you've had that much trouble with the MT-82. That kind of trouble doesn't help the continued availability of manual transmissions one bit, and MT availability has been declining badly enough as it is.

After 40 years or so of owning MT cars, my wife and I are both very strongly opposed to the idea of ever owning another automatic transmission car (the last one was gone that long ago). At this point, it wouldn't even feel right.


Norm

 

[Greg Hazlett]

You must be one of the few people that feel that way; I don't think I have read about 1 person being disappointed with the results of a tuned automatic or had an issue with a converter like a Circle D.

 

[brianadams03]

if the only concern winning an illegal race on the street or legal e.t.'s on the occasional weekend, then auto is for you...i wont deny that, but its boring to drive and no matter what tune you throw at, you will NEVER have the control with it as a stick. currently the only non manual car i will take will be in the newest of the new super and hyper cars...but not in a mustang or similar car.

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Hahaha, had to throw the "illegal" part in there for the morally concerned.... But yes, that's what my car will turn into. 90% racing and 10% cruising(hell probably just going to and from locations really).

You must be one of the few people that feel that way; I don't think I have read about 1 person being disappointed with the results of a tuned automatic or had an issue with a converter like a Circle D.

+1. These aren't the cars of the past by any means....

 

[RazorbackMustang]

You must be one of the few people that feel that way; I don't think I have read about 1 person being disappointed with the results of a tuned automatic or had an issue with a converter like a Circle D.

Nothing but manuals in the family here either. I mentioned getting something else down the road to my wife the other day, her response "But that's not a manual transmission. I don't want it.". That's my girl!

 

[Norm Peterson]

You must be one of the few people that feel that way; I don't think I have read about 1 person being disappointed with the results of a tuned automatic or had an issue with a converter like a Circle D.

I probably am, and I've had plenty of time to think it through. Mentally, I'm a road course driver all of the time. Always have been. I expect all shifting to be completely separate from throttle control and for vehicle response to be linear with that.

I'm 65, and the next time I make a run down the quarter mile (which might actually be this year) will actually be my first ever. I'm not counting the side-by-side Speed-Stop-Squared challenge at one of last year's ASCS events, which is the closest I've been to making any dragstrip runs yet.

In automatic mode, most AT shifts never come exactly when I'd make them, which I find as annoying as having a pebble stuck in my shoe when I do drive an AT vehicle.

Nor do I care for either harsh upshifts or the nonlinear behavior of a loose converter. I'm not finding fault with those tweaks generally, only that they don't fit me and the way I'm apparently hardwired to drive. Those characteristics aren't anything I care to deal with when I'm at significant lateral g's going through an entrance or exit ramp curve. Even less so at autocross where it'd tend to upset the chassis when precision of line is far more important, or out on a road course where the pace and the risk are both much greater.


Norm

 

[Greg Hazlett]

Ok, understand now being a road course/autocross guy, that makes complete sense why you prefer the manual.

 

[mikeyfitz]

I just like rowing gears and have 0 issue with mine. I've had some cars 10x better than this and the tranny is doing just fine.


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[fdjizm]

I drive my car daily and have ZERO issues driving normally.
It's when I want to shift fast that it sucks lol.

 

[skulls]

You obviously haven't driven an auto with a good tune, or even more importantly with a nice converter then...

But hey, I'll take my "boring" auto over the junk manual I had before it any day...unlike most in this thread, I actually have owned both.

unless you know what i have and have not driven, you really cant assume on my behalf...trust me ive driven a shit load of cars, with diffete trannys, options, power, driven wheels, motor placement, etc.

no TUNED every day automatic will replace the control of a manual, sorry it just wont. now a dual clutch super car flappy paddle gearbox gets close...but not a mustang automatic.

my manual is solid as a rock and no issues AT all...

but if your auto is your preferance, awesome for you.

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[skulls]

Hahaha, had to throw the "illegal" part in there for the morally concerned.... But yes, that's what my car will turn into. 90% racing and 10% cruising(hell probably just going to and from locations really).
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then you have the right transmission...simple as that. there is no right or wrong answer here, just preferance is all ;-)



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[Bald Menace]

i find it interesting that most manual guys are of the opinion that Automatics are for pussys and manual is the only way to drive a car like a man. yet automatic guys say that manuals are ok but they prefer an auto transmission. is it an Ego thing for the manual diehards?

 

[AnotherS197GT]

i find it interesting that most manual guys are of the opinion that Automatics are for pussys and manual is the only way to drive a car like a man. yet automatic guys say that manuals are ok but they prefer an auto transmission. is it an Ego thing for the manual diehards?

I think its a bit of ego. I'm not really happy about getting an auto since I don't wanna be a lady, but I'd rather have a good trans that will shift into gear and won't waste time being in the shop.

 

[mikeyfitz]

I think its a bit of ego. I'm not really happy about getting an auto since I don't wanna be a lady, but I'd rather have a good trans that will shift into gear and won't waste time being in the shop.

Dont look at it that way Dylan lol.

Do you enjoy rowing gears? If so, stay manual. Since I know it'll be a DD and mainly not racing, you'll enjoy being able to rip it whenever. Nothing is more fun than that.

If you're gonna race a lot, and really don't care about enjoying the shifting, then go auto. I don't like auto for many reasons, in a DD sure, in a DD/Racecar ehhh.