Shocks/Struts mandatory with spring change?

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I've searched for two hours today reading various spring threads and didn't really find an answer. I'm wanting to change out the Cobra Jet springs for the FRPP "K" springs since Butch doesn't have turbos anymore. Mid-high 12's won't "require" a CJ spring either so I want to lower the car a little to make it sit better.

Several people have suggested changing shocks and struts with lowering springs. Is this just absolutely necessary or will the stock shocks/struts be fine? Does the ride quality suffer that bad when using stock stuff and lowering springs?


Here is my .02

I have had several friends lower their car with only springs. They have been either Eibach Sportlines or the Pro kit. The Pro kit seems to be more applicable here.

They all ride fine at first and then the shocks eventually go out. The car starts "porpusing" like a dolphin going up and down in the water if that makes sense. Sort of like what the older mini trucks used to do over bumps. Basically, the shocks turn to shit because they are being operated out of the range. Atleast that's my guess.

All those who did not change out their shocks/stuts have either went back to regular springs or got Tokicos.

I can loosen those things up and make it ride really soft or really hard with the D-pPecs. Whatever I prefer.
 

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I have stock shocks and struts on my Vert, Steeda Sportline springs, have pulled low 1.6s and you've seen how it launches. Ride is a bit rougher then stock but still fine IMHO>
 

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I would say if you were doing steeda sport no you don't have to I'm going 20k strong on but any lower and I would say you should. I mean if you have easy access to the spring compressor and an alignment machine then it doesn't matter but think about it if you lower the car with stock shocks and struts and blow out a strut then you have have the car realigned and that's a pain. Might as well do it all at once right the first time get it aligned and not worry about it in my opinion
 

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Necessary ? No, everyone likes there car with a different feel . Adjustable shocks give you that option . JMO
 

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I don't have direct experience with the suspension on this car but from all the other cars I've had, the shocks are a crapshoot as far as how long they will last. I've seen guys with 2.5" drops on stock shocks and the shocks lasted for 2-3 years. Some other guys have ran 1" drops on stock shocks and had them blow and leak in as little at 6 months. This is all on the same car mind you with similar mileage so there is a fair comparison to be made.

I think what you'll find is that as you raise the spring rate and keep the same shocks, it'll be underdampened. I personally feel like the mustang is underdampened to begin with. What you get when your spring rate is too high for your shock valving is it's usually rather smooth on the larger bumps and dips because the spring is getting a strong force that loads it, but the shock is pretty "loose" in comparison. So you get a very fast compression stroke and the rebound is also very quick. On smaller bumps, there is less compression and you feel the little bumps much harsher than you'd expect because it's basically riding the spring more so than the damper. There's no right and wrong about it, it's just personal preference. With a street vehicle, an underdampened car will generally feel more comfortable because you don't get those huge spine shattering bumps.

For drag racing, I can see how running a slightly underdampened set up would be helpful on the launch to help the rear end squat and come back up once you hook. From a road racing standpoint (which is most of my experience, I only went to the strip for shits and giggles), underdampened will usually throw you off because you will lean in on turns but when you exit the apex and straighten out, the car will rebound relatively violently and somewhat unexpectedly in a lot of conditions.

I would honestly go with the Koni dampers if I were you. Their warranty service is superb and the warranty itself is lifetime I believe on all their shocks (at least the Koni Yellows for sure). The adjustability is always nice, especially if you're racing (which I know you do) and it will probably help you dial in a few things down the line that you wouldn't be able to do with the stock shocks. When I had my coilovers, I would always mess with the dampening. On my FWD drive car, I would set the rears really stiff to minimize the weight shift and keep the front tires down. Likewise, the fronts were set on very soft, basically, the reverse of what you would want on a RWD car. Given that my front springs were not that much stiffer than my rears on that car (I ran a 9kg front and an 8kg rear), I'd say it made a fair difference just for drag racing alone.

SD, if you've never had adjustable shocks to mess with, I think you'll like them. The good ones, like konis, actually have a pretty decent range of adjustment where, as the everyday driver of the car, you will notice a difference in the dampening immediately. I say this because your friends will probably not notice a huge difference but if you drive this car a lot and you're familiar with it, the difference is pretty obvious in my experience.
 

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I've got Metco lowers/upper along with their relocation brackets already. I know I need an adjustable panhard bar and will probably go ahead with caster/camber plates. Just trying to see if I need to do shocks/struts now or if I can wait a while.

Auto launches should be no problem. The two GT-H cars I raced in '06 had the FRPP Handling Pack and they left just fine. Figure another 100 hp over that along with a good converter and 3.73 gears hooked to a pair of D/Rs and I'm good to go.

You can wait a while. I put K springs on Eriks ( my son) car when FRPP put them on sale We ran them about 10,000 miles with no problem. On day a lady ran him out of the road and he hit a curb and busted a shock and we replaced them all with the K struts from frpp also but only because we had too.
because we had a big tire in the back 275/35/20 we ended up going to urethane and getting a spring riser for both top and bottom of the rear spring to get it to sit at the correct ride height.

btw...since you are gonna have the front shit already off, might as well but yourself a christmas present
You CANNOT BEAT this price
Cant buty stock for that price. I can voouch for them Awesome.. Get them before they are all gone...!

http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=722cPath=26_91
 
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You can wait a while. I put K springs on Eriks ( my son) car when FRPP put them on sale We ran them about 10,000 miles with no problem. On day a lady ran him out of the road and he hit a curb and busted a shock and we replaced them all with the K struts from frpp also but only because we had too.
because we had a big tire in the back 275/35/20 we ended up going to urethane and getting a spring riser for both top and bottom of the rear spring to get it to sit at the correct ride height.

btw...since you are gonna have the front shit already off, might as well but yourself a christmas present
You CANNOT BEAT this price
Cant buty stock for that price. I can voouch for them Awesome.. Get them before they are all gone...!

http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=722cPath=26_91

Wow only $209 ...you vouch for these?
 

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I ran Sportlines with stock shocks and struts for 2 years. Pulled 1.7x - 1.8x at the track with them. It rode like a wagon on the back roads of Waco, but was smooth for me out on the highway.
 

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Isn't your car up for sale?


Yeah, but it's not getting any action, lol Hell, I don't even have it posted on here anymore. I'm wanting a 5.0, but I'd have to sell it straight out to be able to afford one. Can't get shit for a trade in.

I figure I'm stuck with it unless I want to give it away. I'm happy either way, really.
 

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SD, if you plan to make this Mustang GT more of a daily driver that will do some drag racing and you want a smooth ride that doesn't require adjustability - its simple. Purchase the Koni STR.T non-adjustable front and rear struts (lifetime warranty and excellent performance) coupled with a set of Steeda Sport springs (lowers 1" front, 1 1/4" rear) that offers a great compromise between street and performance use. I would avoid the FRPP/Eibach springs and dampeners. Mike
 

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I figure I'm stuck with it unless I want to give it away. I'm happy either way, really.
Same here.

Does anyone know how much that KR suspension package normally sells for? Sure looks like a great deal.
 

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Same here.

Does anyone know how much that KR suspension package normally sells for? Sure looks like a great deal.

Remember, the GT500KR suspension package is designed to support the much heavier 5.4L cast iron engine vs. our much lighter 4.6L aluminum block.
 

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That is a killer deal if you need shocks grab these up pronto. At that price they are just about disposable,buy two sets shocks for the life of the car.
 

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Remember, the GT500KR suspension package is designed to support the much heavier 5.4L cast iron engine vs. our much lighter 4.6L aluminum block.


So, these would not be a good combo on our cars with the K springs? I was going to get D-Specs initially when I needed a set, but I've decided with my driving needs I probably don't need an adjustable setup.
 

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So, these would not be a good combo on our cars with the K springs? I was going to get D-Specs initially when I needed a set, but I've decided with my driving needs I probably don't need an adjustable setup.

Go Koni, coming from a guy with D-Specs. :beerdrink:
 

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