solved my valvetrain noise issue - with pics

[05stroker]

^^ or make an oil control housing with ported passages and no filter screens.

Seems like even if the stock housings where ported and the screens removed that the screens in the solenoids would still clog up.

 

[TheKurgan]

Seems like even if the stock housings where ported and the screens removed that the screens in the solenoids would still clog up.

Not if you cut them out.

 

[05stroker]

Not if you cut them out.

Then what stops the silinoids from going out from the debris ?

 

[TheKurgan]

Then what stops the silinoids from going out from the debris ?

Well this is all just theory and of course I'm not going to try it, but seems like as much oil pressure that is going through there the debris would simply pass through. I mean there shouldn't be any debris in there in the first place since it has to pass through the oil filter first. I didn't find 1 spec of debris in my housing when i tore it apart.

 

[05stroker]

Well this is all just theory and of course I'm not going to try it, but seems like as much oil pressure that is going through there the debris would simply pass through. I mean there shouldn't be any debris in there in the first place since it has to pass through the oil filter first. I didn't find 1 spec of debris in my housing when i tore it apart.

I think that is the reason the screens are there in the first place though , the solenoids are very sensitive to ANY debris . There is always some in any engine , that is why we need filters. The screens seem like they would only stop debris larger then the filter would catch though but, it is possible for these debris that are causing issues after the filter though or the filter would catch everything and there wouldn't be any issues with the debris at all.

 

[kahmann]

Same shit that happened to my driver's side head last year, except it snapped the tip of an adjuster off, which landed in my oil pan.
To the OP, if you shredded a cam lobe, then your engine is full of metal debris. It sounds like it's time to begin tearing that thing down.

I'm also interested in the Trick Flow followers and whether they're any better than stock.
Bob, didn't you invest in the Jessel rockers/lash adjusters? Any issues with your top end since your rebuild?

 

[TheKurgan]

I think that is the reason the screens are there in the first place though , the solenoids are very sensitive to ANY debris . There is always some in any engine , that is why we need filters. The screens seem like they would only stop debris larger then the filter would catch though but, it is possible for these debris that are causing issues after the filter though or the filter would catch everything and there wouldn't be any issues with the debris at all.

Shit I'm starting to think a ticking engine is actually a healthy engine.

Let's see if I got this straight. The VCT solenoid at idle is fully open right ? As the rpms increase, the solenoid is commanded to close the opening more thus creating more pressure to retard the cam. More pressure means less play in the phaser and therefore the ticking noise goes away. Well if there is debris in the system then that has the same affect as the solenoid closing which is creating more pressure so why the ticking noise ?

I'm no engineer and this maybe(probably) way off base, but I don't see anyone else offering any completely solid solutions.

 

[mrmonk7663]

Well the problem ultimately is coming down to the valve lashers getting starved of oil right? Hence the ticking and failures....What if we switched to SOLID lash adjusters and retained the FACTORY followers? Would this work? We would eliminate the lash failure and increase horsepower and also get rid of the tick.???

 

[TheKurgan]

Well the problem ultimately is coming down to the valve lashers getting starved of oil right? Hence the ticking and failures....What if we switched to SOLID lash adjusters and retained the FACTORY followers? Would this work? We would eliminate the lash failure and increase horsepower and also get rid of the tick.???

Or perhaps just command the solenoid to close up a little more in the tune at idle which would keep them pumped up. Hell I duuno

 

[mrmonk7663]

The BLE solid lash adjusters look nice. The company claims that the ticking in the cars is the hydraulics of the lash adjusters becoming weak, and ultimately not performing like they are suppossed to. The site states that the problem is compounded when using higher strength springs. Further, they claim their lash adjusters rectify these problems AND increase horsepower. Does anyone have any technical info on these BLE lash adjusters other than what their website states? Would they work with stock followers and is there a negative to using solid lash over hyrdaulic lash? Would our normal cams work?

 

[shikwann]

resurrecting! Circusboy did you get that fixed afterall? my follower seems to look just like yours!

 

[circusboy]

she is fixed. been running fine ever since the new followers went in

 

[shikwann]

she is fixed. been running fine ever since the new followers went in

I looked at the rest of the followers and they seem fine, so at this point Im only replacing one of them and the lifter. Should I put in a new lifter too? do I have to adjust the lash or something or is it just drop in?

 

[Rene06GT]

I know a few guys that use the 20-50 valvoline race oil and have zero issues one who makes over 700.

 

[circusboy]

I just soaked them in oil for a little bit., then put them in. I have switch back to 5w-20 oil as well.

 

[2FST-4U]

I just soaked them in oil for a little bit., then put them in. I have switch back to 5w-20 oil as well.

well since its fixed when you gonna bring the car to the track?

 

[circusboy]

well since its fixed when you gonna bring the car to the track?

I sent the blower back to paxton this friday for a complete rebuild and new impeller. Should be back in 3 weeks. then it's track time

 

[shikwann]

I just thought Id share what happened on my #2 piston, looks like crap. My cam seems to be fine there are only scratches on that particular lobe. once that was completed I changed out the oil and fired it up, and NO TICK!

I replaced my lifter and follower from trick flow. The trick flow followers are indeed beefier than the stocks, I would recommend to anyone replacing them. the bad followers roller broke prob from the inside since it was pushed down into the follower that explains the indention seen. Why this happened idk maybe it wasn't seated properly before buttoning up.

*****I know I posted this in another thread but I was involved in both of them. *****

 

[circusboy]

it looks almost identical to mine lol. glad you found and solved you problem

 

[notastockdohc]

So is this a major issue with these cars, do they all do it, I think mine does it when it first starts heck I thought it was a characteristic of a 3v motor. My 5.4 3v f150 did this to it had 107k mi when I sold it. Mine 05 gt sounds like it ticks but it might be the injectors firing. It isn't loud I can only hear it, when I start it with the radio and ac/heat off. So what do I do to avoid this disaster. Give me the 411.