Upgrade or not from a 07 to 14

[Redline727]

yea i will get some up. With the holiday weekend i have been running around like a chicken with no head so i havent even got a pict of it. It rained right after i got it and i took it on a 2 hour trip so its dirty. Was gona clean it up before i did a picture.

 

[gtman]

Keep the 07

 

[Pentalab]

I was just talking about this with my partner last night. We both had/have boosted 3v cars and we both have Yotes, his is boosted. I drive his boosted car all the time.

In NA form hands down the Yote is the winner. It's a screamer. I love that motor.

But things aren't the same with boost. At the end of the day boost is boost. A 5.0 will not really make any more power than a 4.6 if they are the same compression ratio (CR). All of that head flow/cams/etc go right out the window and it comes down to what you are blowing into the motor. The FI Yotes put big numbers up because of the compression. But you run out of octane at a lower boost level. So if the blower is sized correctly the extra compression doesn't do you any good. You simply turn up the boost on the 3v.

Here are what I see as the two downsides (or maybe it's three) to a boosted Yote over a 3v:

-The Yote block will not take the same power that a 3v will. That is a fact. If you start playing with 800+ the Yote block gets a little "thin". The 4.6 will hang on to way over 1000.

-The Yote has a high CR. To prevent detonation the tuners "hang" the valves open through the midrange to blow off boost. This makes them "flat" through the midrange. This is why you see the Yotes put up great HP numbers, but the TQ is low. There is a big spread between peak HP and peak TQ. A 3v will make almost as much TQ as it does HP until you start playing with stupid big numbers and stupid big cams. I have seen all sorts of 3v's make something like 650hp/600tq. Where a Yote will make 650hp/500tq. IMO this "flatness" of the Yote through the midrange takes some of the fun out of driving it on the street. On the track it won't matter, you simply keep the RPM's up. But on the street you are rolling in the power much lower in the RPM's and much more often.

I like driving blown 3v cars on the street more than blown Yotes (power being equal). When I hop out of a 3v into a Yote I always think "Where did the fucking TQ go?" or "Is something wrong?". Then I remember it's a characteristic of the Yote.

Are you talking about the oem 5.0 coyote eng...or the aluminator version ? The aluminator comes in either 9.5 CR or 11 CR..and both versions have forged bottom end, crank /rods /pistons + heavy duty water + oil pumps etc. The Roush cars that have the optional aluminator eng all use the 11:1CR version.

Most folks that buy the aluminator get the 11:1 version. On regular coyote engs, I don't see the dip in the boost in the midrange you refer to.
But then again, these were typ anywhere from 7-11 psi setups.

Baffles me why Ford just didn't install the all forged aluminator in the cars in the 1st place..... it only cost $1k more..or at least offer it as a $1k option.

Still, a 575-675 crank hp plane coyote eng (blown) is nothing to sneeze at. You won't get that from any 05-10 eng (oem stock, not built + forged).

I have no clue what the max that either version of the aluminator is good for.

 

[Roush fun]

If i didnt have my roush payed off and so much money into the build i would get a 13-14.
As of now i plan on keeping my roush and in a couple years ill grab up a 5.0 and have 2 stangs!

 

[POCOPOWER]

Had the family photo done.lol

 

[FL BILL]

Nice trio. I sold my 07 Roushcharged Grabber Orange GT and replaced it with an 11 silver GT/CS. I liked my GO car, but love the coyote torque, and all of the GT/CS styling options.

 

[RedCandyApple2008]

I heard someone say the 15 mustangs are the ugliest things ever...yes you have the power but it's a fusion with mustang emblems. Do you agree?

 

[MassMustang]

I heard someone say the 15 mustangs are the ugliest things ever...yes you have the power but it's a fusion with mustang emblems. Do you agree?

To each their own. I think the side profile and rear end are sexy. I wish they did something to pay tribute to the '71-'73 models with the headlights.

I love the retro look of the S197 and I'm happy with my 05. I just want to do a 302 stroker Kit and she'll be perfect in my eyes. When the kids are out of college in 8-10 years, I'll buy a '69.

I should add: we saw an Impact Blue GT on the highway today and it was damn sexy!

 

[RazorbackMustang]

I heard someone say the 15 mustangs are the ugliest things ever...yes you have the power but it's a fusion with mustang emblems. Do you agree?

No. I LOVE the new Mustang. Just don't want to restart a note. And I have a Fusion. They look nothing like each other.

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[Department Of Boost]

I heard someone say the 15 mustangs are the ugliest things ever...yes you have the power but it's a fusion with mustang emblems. Do you agree?

Not a Fusion.

 

[Mr. Q]

... nm, ot

 

[Department Of Boost]

Are you talking about the oem 5.0 coyote eng...or the aluminator version ? The aluminator comes in either 9.5 CR or 11 CR..and both versions have forged bottom end, crank /rods /pistons + heavy duty water + oil pumps etc. The Roush cars that have the optional aluminator eng all use the 11:1CR version.

Most folks that buy the aluminator get the 11:1 version. On regular coyote engs, I don't see the dip in the boost in the midrange you refer to.
But then again, these were typ anywhere from 7-11 psi setups.

I'm talking about putting a blower on the motor that comes in the car. The 11:1 motor. You know, like 98% of people that put blowers on.

Did I say there was a "dip" in the boost? If so I stated that incorrectly. There is no "dip". I just doesn't come in as fast as it does on a 3v. If you have a Yote and a 3v with the same blower spinning the same speed the 3v hits noticeably sooner and noticeably harder. The Yote feels like a centri car to me in comparison. Even if the Yote makes 100hp more at peak than the 3v the 3v still hits sooner/harder.

Yeah sure, if you throw a 9.5:1 Aluminator in there you can run the boost in faster. But you still have the engine characteristics of the Yote. And that is it needs to be spun hard. Ever notice how a 3v has hp and tq numbers that are almost identical? And the Yote always has hp numbers quite a bit higher than tq? That is engine characteristic. For straight up drag racing from a dig (assuming the gearing is right) the Yote will have the advantage (same blower, same blower speed). And for winning dyno racing the Yote is great. But for actual driving around on the street, I think the 3v is more enjoyable (assuming the same HP level).

 

[claudermilk]

No. I LOVE the new Mustang. Just don't want to restart a note. And I have a Fusion. They look nothing like each other.

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Yeah, this. I also have a Fusion. There is a vague general family resemblance in the grille shape--like virtually all marques do these days. Pretty much all Ford cars now have the Evos-based grille opening. Beyond that, it's its own beast.

Styling is so subjective, you form your own opinion on it and yours is as valid as anyone else's. When you are dropping $40k+ on it, what you think of the looks in the only opinion that matters.

 

[palanza7]

Yeah, this. I also have a Fusion. There is a vague general family resemblance in the grille shape--like virtually all marques do these days. Pretty much all Ford cars now have the Evos-based grille opening. Beyond that, it's its own beast.

Styling is so subjective, you form your own opinion on it and yours is as valid as anyone else's. When you are dropping $40k+ on it, what you think of the looks in the only opinion that matters.

This +++++++++1

I love everything about the 15's but the front end looking directly on it. Looks like Nissan built it lol From the side i like it, from the front... ugughgh,. Maybe im just jealous ;p But oh my god their interiorrrrrrrrr

 

[Brezick]

I bought my 2013 ..in 2013 .. and at the time i kept my built KB 2007. 2 years have passed and 1800 total mile on the 2007, i sold it. Adding a twin turbo kit did not help things, but i enjoyed the coyote so much more.

 

[MassMustang]

I bought my 2013 ..in 2013 .. and at the time i kept my built KB 2007. 2 years have passed and 1800 total mile on the 2007, i sold it. Adding a twin turbo kit did not help things, but i enjoyed the coyote so much more.

I'm curious what your ETs are with the 13 now. Just to compare to the 07 ETs as well as the 60-foot times. To previous points, the 3Vs might be a better option for around town and depending on where you're at the the build, a properly setup 3V can handle a Coyote at the track.

 

[Department Of Boost]

I bought my 2013 ..in 2013 .. and at the time i kept my built KB 2007. 2 years have passed and 1800 total mile on the 2007, i sold it. Adding a twin turbo kit did not help things, but i enjoyed the coyote so much more.

You can't compare TT's to a KB.

 

[Brezick]

I'm curious what your ETs are with the 13 now. Just to compare to the 07 ETs as well as the 60-foot times. To previous points, the 3Vs might be a better option for around town and depending on where you're at the the build, a properly setup 3V can handle a Coyote at the track.

I am waiting on my 3B converter, then I will run it, but I expect low 10's with 650 at the wheels. My 2007 best was 10.8, built cammed etc, and was a bitch to drive around with (admittedly my own fault) a PD blower, stage 3 cams and 4.10's.

The TT coyote is amazing around town. I drive it to work most days, and it runs like stock.

You can't compare TT's to a KB.

100% agree, thats why once i got the TT, the 2007 went up for sale.

 

[MassMustang]

I am waiting on my 3B converter, then I will run it, but I expect low 10's with 650 at the wheels. My 2007 best was 10.8, built cammed etc, and was a bitch to drive around with (admittedly my own fault) a PD blower, stage 3 cams and 4.10's.

The TT coyote is amazing around town. I drive it to work most days, and it runs like stock.

100% agree, thats why once i got the TT, the 2007 went up for sale.

I'm hoping a centrifugal blower like a Novi 1200/2200 will be similar. Good for around town and a blast when you push past 5K. I still love my 3V idle and the fact it's almost paid off. Too many car payments! :^P

 

[POCOPOWER]

Well a little update on my car's. Did the normal bolt on on the new one and was gona leave it alone. Well thanks to mr deer the 07 is no longer with us. Hit a deer and it totaled out the 07. So i pulled off all my goodies and sold them to a local guy and he is happy as can be. So the green 5.0 car got a little full suspension treatment,wheels and tires and just put on a stage 3 82MM VMP tvs kit last week. Now im in the market for a aluminator or doing a good short block and see if we can reach 900 plus hp. I do have to say i like the 5.0 car alot better than the 07. To me it is alot better all around. Inside and out.