4R70 & 4L80E tranny conversions Cost & Time frame from JPC Engineering

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OK Guys,

Here is what you have been wanting to see on the pricing and time to do the conversions from your existing 5R55 transmissions.

I decided to do a separate thread so this will be really easy to find as time goes by for members.

If you wish to discuss this further contact Aaron at JPC.
His contact information is in his E-Mail to me below.

Aaron's comments are in BOLD below.

Today Jan. 29, 2015

Aaron,

I'll make this short and to the point.

Thank-You very much for a very quick response and exactly what me and the other members on S197 want to know.
I'm going to do a new Thread on S197 for JPC on this topic.
If you are or any of your other employees are a member on the S-197 Mustang Internet Site you can use the link below to that Thread.
http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2173953#post2173953
The reason I am doing a new Thread I feel personally like when a Vendor goes to the trouble you have that's the least I can do in return.
If any of the other members on S-197 wish to discuss this with you further they will have your contact information.

Thanks again,
Terry Honaker aka "tigerhonaker"


-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron LeBlanc <[email protected]>
To: tigerhonaker <[email protected]>
Sent: Thu, Jan 29, 2015 3:42 pm
Subject: Re: Trans Swap

On 1/29/2015 3:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Aaron,

OK, here is what the different guys are really wanting to know.

If you guys have done a conversion from the 5R55 to either the 3 following transmissions.

Let's assume we are only discussing those guys that have the 5R55 transmissions now not a manual tranny.

I'll post your response over on S197 Mustang Internet Site for you.

Let me say this regarding me using the term, "Completed".

S-197 Mustang is delivered to you at JPC and you do one of the conversions listed below and then owner comes and picks up Mustang.

(What is the Total Cost when it's totally completed and ready for pick-up) ???

There's tons of ways to go about each job so keep this in mind. Consider the pricing as
our middle of the road pricing. You can get some cheaper components if need be but
this is what we would typically recommend for a car making around 1000rwhp
(gives people room to grow and typically holds up to whatever you'll throw at it.
Also most of this is rough pricing so keep that in mind as well.
Lastly, what "Time Frame" does the total completion actually take ?

(1) 4R70 how much for the completed conversion for the S-197 Mustangs?

This swap will cost typically around $5000-$7000 in parts (auto shift being more),
labor your looking anywhere from $1500-$2000 (depending on a few options).
Typically I recommend going to the manual valve body with this transmission setup.
However
if you need an auto shift the options are available for that.

(2) 4L80E
how much for the completed conversion for the S-197 Mustangs?

Typically this swap will cost anywhere from $12k-13k installed.
This swap is very very expensive but the final product is worth it.
Having actually driven an S197 with a power glide, 4r70w, TH400, 4L80 and most of the manual transmissions under the sun.
I will say this was the closest to having a factory style transmission in the car.
The manual shifting is very responsive and the ability to put the car in drive and cruise around is nice as well.
Rossler offers a trans brake valve body for the 4L80 so you can have automatic shifting and a power glide.

(3) Hughes 4L80E built transmissions
how much for the completed conversion for the S-197 Mustangs?

Hughes is just a company that rebuilds transmissions, no different
then Rossler, ATI, Transmission Specialties or any other company.
Typically they're not our go to when it comes to transmissions.

(4) If you have used the Hughes 4L80E for a conversion which specific unit did you use and what H/P & TRQ. was it rated ?

Again we really don't use Hughes, I'd rather use ATI / Rossler / Transmission Specialties for something like this.
Most of there 4L80's are rated for 1000rwhp+ so they should be good for a while.


As far as time frame goes on all of these your looking at roughly a week.
The total swap is roughly 2-3 days worth of labor but most of these with auto shift require some time to dial in the transmission.






Terry
 

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Lots of power in a heavy car makes for pricey parts if you want it to live and have nice street manners
 

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Good share Terry.

Your welcome.

Yikes! $4k more for the 4L80e, holy shit! That's insane!

Thanks for sharing the info though!!
Kyle and everyone following this thread,

I already knew from talking this over with Brent on the 4R70 it was going to be Super Expensive.
My decision after talking this over with Brent multiple times was to retain the existing 5R55 TCI SSF.
The one I have in the Bullitt right now has been in it since late 2011.
Has a bunch of drag-strip passes on it.
Plus thousands and thousands of street miles and not one problem.
So to me it just did not make sense to spend thousands of dollars to covert from my TCI SSF 5R55 to the 4R70 unit.
Much less the 4L80E transmission.
I'm not a tight ass and if it made sense I would have had the 4R70 installed.
Brent & I both agreed to simply send my TCI SSF to TCI for a complete re-furbishing.
And that cost is not a drop in the bucket compared to the total cost of up-grading it to the 4R70 or 4L80E units.

Speaking of just me and what I know it took to covert mine to the 5R55 TCI SSF.
I don't think many people really realize just how complicated it is to 1st off change from a manual to an automatic.
I know how involved it is as I was there watching it all take place.
And believe me there are a heck of a lot of parts involved.
In my case Brenspeed per my input went with all new Ford parts except the transmission & converter.
On top of the cost for all the parts then you have labor at $110.00 Approx. per hour.

So guys it's no surprise to me the approximate cost quoted from JPC for the 4R70 & 4L80E transmission conversions.

IMO one has to be very serious to jump in and have that sort of work done.



Terry
 

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honestly, 5-7k is not bad for a 1k MVB 4r70, with all swap parts, driveshaft, converter, crossmember, etc. Thats what I would expect it to be.

Could probably do the swap myself so labor is negligible.
 

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honestly, 5-7k is not bad for a 1k MVB 4r70, with all swap parts, driveshaft, converter, crossmember, etc. Thats what I would expect it to be.

Could probably do the swap myself so labor is negligible.

I agree, and would also do the swap myself, I'm referring to the 4L80e upgrade being another $4k on top of that..
 

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Guys,

Those that are not familiar with the Search-Feature below are some Threads I think you will like seeing.
They will give IMO excellent write-ups on doing the 4R70 install.
There will be No-Doubt what's really involved for the newer members or non technical members.
It will also provide those that don't know what's really involved why the total cost is what it is when a Performance Shop does the work.


4R70W install-S197...Here is a Write Up for you!

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11577&highlight=4R70+install



Tanner's 4R70W Conversion

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40233




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Terry is your current trans having any issues? Not sure why you want to send it in if its working properly. This is why I'm happy and stayed with 425 rwhp....400+ drag passes and no issues. That's not enough for everyone but I do enjoy the reliability.
 

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Terry is your current trans having any issues? Not sure why you want to send it in if its working properly. This is why I'm happy and stayed with 425 rwhp....400+ drag passes and no issues. That's not enough for everyone but I do enjoy the reliability.

Hello Hawaii :hi:

No I have not had anything at all happen to the TCI SSF.
And believe me I have driven it many thousands of miles since it was installed late 2011.
Plus it has been drag-raced many-many times since late 2011.
And add to that all the times it's been on the DYNO which is a heck of a lot.

Brent (Brenspeed) and I discussed the options for changing the existing TCI SSF to the 4R70.
That was not a quick discussion at all.
We both agreed per Brent's recommendation to keep the TCI SSF.
We also agreed just to be safe to pull it and send it back to TCI for a complete re-furbishing.
When I get the Bullitt back it is going to have considerably more H/P & TRQ.
So to just be safe that's why it's getting pulled and sent back to TCI.

This is why I'm happy and stayed with 425 rwhp....400+ drag passes and no issues.
That's not enough for everyone but I do enjoy the reliability.
If you have read many of my posts you know I am very straight forward with what I say.
Unless you have a Performance Shop in Hawaii that you trust I highly recommend leaving well enough alone.
What I just said above I could not be anymore serious as I do know some of the guys that have the higher H/P & TRQ Mustangs with the TCI SSF.
And here is what does happen with those guys.
Either the TCI SSF breaks ........
Or they send it back every year to have it gone back through.
And even when they do send them back and gone back through sometimes they still break or don't make it for a full year.

In my case I can drive, drag-race mine as I see fit as I am retired.
And when I get it back this time and knowing I'm pushing the upper limitations on the TCI SSF.
I have decided if I do run it I will only do it with the street tires under it.
That way the tires adhesion will be the safety margin versus the TCI SSF & Drivetrain.
I doubt seriously if I will drag-race it all that frequent once I take delivery of it this time around.
I'm wanting to drive it and enjoy it and try to keep it all in one piece.

Terry
 
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Terry, what happened to the build 5r, and how much power was it holding up to?
:beer:

Mike,

Nothing has happened to my TCI SSF.
It is being pulled once Brent (Brenspeed) is completely done with the DYNO tuning.
That ^^^ has not taken place yet.
It is only going back to TCI as a safety precaution as it was originally installed Oct. 2011.
Since Brenspeed had the Bullitt already it just makes sense to let them send it back now.



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I am currently building a 4r70 as well... here is the break down of what I have in it so far.

Low mile trans shipped to me. 500
New Manual trans brake valve body. 680
Hardened internals, rebuild kit, clutches, etc..700

Things I still need.
My guy is charging me 700 for the machine work and assembly. 700
Converter will be over.1000
Cooler/lines...100
Gauge..100
Auto pedal assembly..hoping 50 or so
Driveshaft...400
Trans cross member support either new or modify stock not sure on costs.
Random hardware trips for supplies/wiring/switches/fluid 150.00

I'm sure I'm forgetting something but add a shops labor rate in there and it's a hard pill to swallow. I can only buy one major piece a month.

 

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