Saleen underdrive pulley installation

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Thank you, since I don't know what they are, I refuse to list them, I do have a conscious, I have a bigger plan, cars aren't involved, you see, I'm a big old dummy,just proved it,

Then I would suggest locating your invoice from either Saleen or whomever the vendor you purchased the pulley kit from. The invoice should provide the part numbers for each of the pulleys and for what model year. As I mentioned in a previous post, I recommend contacting Saleen or whoever the vendor who sold you the pulley kit and inform them they sent you the wrong pulleys and therefore want to request a return authorization to send them back.

 

[Phil1098]

BTW, there is quite a bit more to this than just machining a chunk of metal and calling it a harmonic balancer. The frequency of the harmonics in a crankshaft are significant and can be destructive if not properly addressed. The density of the rubber, weight, etc. all plays into it doing its job properly. The balancer in the Steeda kit has actually been approved by Ford to do this right. It's what sold me on their kit.

 

[thump_rrr]

Saleen supercharged cars used the alternators from automatic transmission cars... The pulley for that alternator does not have the one way clutch and the shaft diameter is larger. Naturally aspirated manual transmission S197 cars have a different alternator pulley.

The underdrive Saleen alternator pulley will only work with an alternator for an automatic transmission S197 car.

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You are incorrect.
I have a 2005 manual which I installed myself.
There is a splined tool supplied to remove the one way pulley from the alternator.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

You are incorrect.
I have a 2005 manual which I installed myself.
There is a splined tool supplied to remove the one way pulley from the alternator.

You've just confirmed exactly what I've been pointing out ever since this thread began. That being said, there was also a splined tool including replacement pulley supplied in my Saleen VI S/C kit to remove the one-way pulley from the alternator, therefore it is not required to switch alternators from a manual car to one from an auto trans car

 

[msvela448]

Now that I've been thoroughly roasted I'd like to hang on just a little longer by pointing out that an alternator with a one way bearing will not work with a Saleen S/C because of the reverse rotation... (I understand we are talking about N/A applications here, but I think this is where my thought process was anchored) Perhaps the reason so many Saleen owners just go with a Denso alternator for a 2009 or 2010 automatic when it is time to replace one.

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[01yellerCobra]

Now that I've been thoroughly roasted I'd like to hang on just a little longer by pointing out that an alternator with a one way bearing will not work with a Saleen S/C because of the reverse rotation... (I understand we are talking about N/A applications here, but I think this is where my thought process was anchored) Perhaps the reason so many Saleen owners just go with a Denso alternator for a 2009 or 2010 automatic when it is time to replace one.

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Not sure I follow your thought process here. The bearings aren't one way. The pulley itself is. That's why you have to swap it out when flipping the alternator around. I think most of the discussion in here was anchored around the fact that there isn't a different in the shaft size between manual or automatic equipped cars.

The reason everyone goes to the later model alternator is because it's a better unit that doesn't fail like the earlier versions.

 

[msvela448]

I know the one way bearing is in the pulley itself. Once you got the one way pulley off the shaft length and diameter was always the issue in my experience.

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[thump_rrr]

I carry a spare alternator on long trips.
I’ve had 2 failures over the years while on road trips.
The cause of the failures is simple.
Due to the way the alternator is installed with a Saleen blower it is turning backwards.
It obviously can’t cool itself as well as it would if it was turning in the proper direction.

I can’t just purchase one on the road and install it because I would need an impact gun to remove the factory one way pulley and I would need an 8 rib alternator pulley from a Ford Excursion since I’m running an 8 rib setup.

Here is a pic of the pulley, spline tool and my converted spare alternator.

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Now that I've been thoroughly roasted I'd like to hang on just a little longer by pointing out that an alternator with a one way bearing will not work with a Saleen S/C because of the reverse rotation... (I understand we are talking about N/A applications here, but I think this is where my thought process was anchored) Perhaps the reason so many Saleen owners just go with a Denso alternator for a 2009 or 2010 automatic when it is time to replace one.

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Just as 01yellerCobra mentioned in his post, the alternator bearings aren't one way, but rather it's the bearings inside the pulley itself that are one way. Therefore once the pulley is removed with the included spline tool and then replaced with the new alternator pulley also included in the Saleen series VI S/C kit, the alternator will work and function just fine in the reverse rotation. I'll also add that if Saleen recommended replacing the alternator with a non-clutch, one-way unit, why would they bother wasting their time including an alternator pulley remover spline tool along with a replacement pulley if replacing the entire alternator assembly was required? That just doesn't any damn sense whatsoever. Now I'm not here to roast you nor anybody else for that matter, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you posted in regards that replacing the one-way clutch pulley from an alternator for a manual trans with a non-one way bearing pulley will not work with a Saleen S/C, is completely 100% B.S and yes, I know this thru my own personal experience as an owner of a Saleen series VI S/C kit. And now you also have 2 other posters beside myself who've confirmed exactly just that from their own experiences as well. Also, there is no difference in shaft size between manual and auto trans alternators, at least not when concerning 2005-09 Mustang GT models. If interested? I've also included a link for the Saleen VI S/C installation manual which includes all parts supplied with the kit.

https://www.soec.org/manuals/supercharger/mustang/10-8002-C11517M.pdf

Not sure I follow your thought process here. The bearings aren't one way. The pulley itself is. That's why you have to swap it out when flipping the alternator around. I think most of the discussion in here was anchored around the fact that there isn't a different in the shaft size between manual or automatic equipped cars.

The reason everyone goes to the later model alternator is because it's a better unit that doesn't fail like the earlier versions.

You're exactly 100% spot on.

I know the one way bearing is in the pulley itself. Once you got the one way pulley off the shaft length and diameter was always the issue in my experience.

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Hope you realize the pic diagrams you posted are for 2001-2007 Chrysler Town and Country, Dodge Caravan and Plymouth Voyager models!

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

I carry a spare alternator on long trips.
I’ve had 2 failures over the years while on road trips.
The cause of the failures is simple.
Due to the way the alternator is installed with a Saleen blower it is turning backwards.
It obviously can’t cool itself as well as it would if it was turning in the proper direction.

I can’t just purchase one on the road and install it because I would need an impact gun to remove the factory one way pulley and I would need an 8 rib alternator pulley from a Ford Excursion since I’m running an 8 rib setup.

Here is a pic of the pulley, spline tool and my converted spare alternator.

Yes indeed, pictures do not lie

 

[msvela448]

Everyone having fun?

Fact is... An alternator for a manual transmission 2005-2009 Mustang has clutched pulley whereas the automatic transmission one does not. If you like changing pulleys with a special tool... Good for you. If you want a direct replacement then get an alternator for an automatic.

The document about the clutched pulley was just an example... It doesn't matter what kind of vehicle it was for... I was only putting it up for the description of the clutched pulley and what it does.

All this arguing is ridiculous and has little to do with the original question, but I am trying to explain where my thinking was... The OP didn't have special tools, and little experience with this vehicle, so I suggested omitting the alternator pulley from the underdrive kit or swapping to a newer {2009 - 2010} denso alternator for an automatic car so the pulley can be swapped without any special tools and he would also get the benefit of the better design alternator.

I have definitely seen a different shaft size in different year alternators. Just my experience.

Like Thump_rrr said I used to have a spare alternator on hand too because of the reverse rotation in the Saleen S/C application. I finally switched to a Department of Boost Denso alternator... No more issues. And my pulley (also 8-rib like Thump_rrr) swapped just fine. I also use a water pump pulley from a V10 Ford engine for better belt wrap in the S/C application.

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[06 T-RED S/C GT]

Everyone having fun?

Fact is... An alternator for a manual transmission 2005-2009 Mustang has clutched pulley whereas the automatic transmission one does not. If you like changing pulleys with a special tool... Good for you. If you want a direct replacement then get an alternator for an automatic.

The document about the clutched pulley was just an example... It doesn't matter what kind of vehicle it was for... I was only putting it up for the description of the clutched pulley and what it does.

All this arguing is ridiculous and has little to do with the original question, but I am trying to explain where my thinking was... The OP didn't have special tools, and little experience with this vehicle, so I suggested omitting the alternator pulley from the underdrive kit or swapping to a newer {2009 - 2010} denso alternator for an automatic car so the pulley can be swapped without any special tools and he would also get the benefit of the better design alternator.

I have definitely seen a different shaft size in different year alternators. Just my experience.

Like Thump_rrr said I used to have a spare alternator on hand too because of the reverse rotation in the Saleen S/C application. I finally switched to a Department of Boost Denso alternator... No more issues. And my pulley (also 8-rib like Thump_rrr) swapped just fine. I also use a water pump pulley from a V10 Ford engine for better belt wrap in the S/C application.

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First off... We're all fully well aware that an alternator for a manual trans 2005-2009 Mustang has a one-way clutch pulley over the auto trans unit which does not. However, that isn't what Thump_rrr, 01yellerCobra and myself are disagreeing with you over. The fact is... you have claimed time and time again in this thread that an alternator from a manual trans 2005-2009 Mustang will not work with a Saleen S/C because of the reverse rotation and you've also claimed the bearings in the alternator assembly were also one-way which is also incorrect. Then you post yet another inaccurate claim about differences in shaft sizes between the manual trans vs auto trans for 2005-2009 Mustang alternator assemblies which once again is also incorrect. Therefore if what you posted about the differences in shaft sizing were accurate? this would mean that the underdrive pulley included in the Saleen VI S/C kit would NOT fit the shaft of the manual trans alternator, but the fact is, that it does fit and Thump_rrr provided proof of that with the image in which he recently posted which proves in itself that the shaft sizes are indeed the same. In fact, it wasn't until 01yellerCobra pointed out to you in his response to your previous post, that you acknowledged that he was correct about the alternator bearings not being one-way in which you previously claimed were, but rather in the just the pulley itself. Needless to say, I also pointed out in my responses to your previous posts that the one-way clutch bearings were also integrated into the pulley assembly as well along with pointing out to you from the very start that the instructions from the Saleen VI S/C manual do NOT require replacing the alternator from a manual trans car to one from an auto trans, but yet you still attempted to discredit my responses even after I provided a link for the Saleen VI S/C manual for you to examine for yourself as proof. And finally, you now claim about how ridiculous all this arguing has been and has little to do with the original question posted by the OP? Well, let's just say that if for any reason I don't happen to agree with what's being posted and especially when someone contradicts themselves while attempting to discredit somebody else with their alternative facts, then I will dispute any such attempt... That being said, if you wish to consider what's been posted on my part as ridiculous arguing? Then so be it!

 

[msvela448]

06 T-Rex GT....
You are awesome, and you know everything, and your opinion is the most important one... There... Now go ahead and type another 2 pages of ranting.

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[06 T-RED S/C GT]

msvela488, I never claimed to know everything, you did. Therefore I suppose in your opinion that 01yellerCobra, Thump_rrr and myself are all wrong despite the fact we all submitted proof that your speculation claims in which you posted on this thread were all incorrect. So while you're at it, how about also accusing the folks over at Saleen with your alternative facts about the info I obtained from the Saleen VI S/C instruction manual is also wrong because that was the info I submitted in this thread along with my personal experience of being the owner of a Saleen series VI S/C. The bottom line is, the differences between your posts and mine are this. I back up my opinions thru personal experience along with documentation from the manufacturer. You, on the other hand, haven't provided anything in this thread other than for your alternative facts that were proven incorrect by 3 different people on this forum. Enough said!

 

[JeremyH]

First off OP if they arent installed yet then dont waste your time on the udp unless your squeezing every single hp out of the setup. Much better mods out there.

Msvela488 while the banter has been entertaining you def made quite a few wrong assumptions/statements which have already been pointed out. Learn and move on because now your just whining and trying to brush past the fact.

Plot twist, my 07 manual came with a factory non clutched alt pulley. Ford bounces around from having clutched alt pulley designs for manuals throughout the model years. Also there is only a single part number for 05-08 alternator for both auto and man. Then they switched back to two auto/manual versions with the revised alternator for 09-10.

 

[Phil1098]

06 T-Rex GT....

Who's T-Rex?

 

[06 T-RED S/C GT]

First off OP if they arent installed yet then dont waste your time on the udp unless your squeezing every single hp out of the setup. Much better mods out there.

Msvela488 while the banter has been entertaining you def made quite a few wrong assumptions/statements which have already been pointed out. Learn and move on because now your just whining and trying to brush past the fact.

Plot twist, my 07 manual came with a factory non clutched alt pulley. Ford bounces around from having clutched alt pulley designs for manuals throughout the model years. Also there is only a single part number for 05-08 alternator for both auto and man. Then they switched back to two auto/manual versions with the revised alternator for 09-10.

Jeremy, would you happen to know if by any chance if my 06 manual came with a factory non-clutched alt pulley? All I remember from over 12 years ago was when my local Ford dealership installed the Saleen VI S/C they used the supplied spline tool included with the kit to remove the factory alternator pulley and replaced it with the Saleen alternator pulley that was also included with the kit. Unless the pulley sizes are also different for non-clutched factory pulleys vs the supplied pulleys included with the Saleen VI S/C kits? I can't quite understand any other reason for having to change the alt pulley Thanks in advance,

-Rocky

Who's T-Rex?

Phil, he was referring to me. More than likely he was being sarcastic in his attempt to get my goat, which obviously didn't work lol.

-Rocky