MACH 1 is back!!!

[MrAwesome987]

I like the white Mach1 that someone posted above. Although I still prefer the 2015-2017 head lights over the current ones.

 

[Dino Dino Bambino]

Imagine how many of those would have sold.

Ford would have sold them by the bucketload, and at a healthy price premium over the regular GT if they'd also raided the Ford Performance parts bin for performance & suspension upgrades.

 

[JJ427R]

A comparison to a Stage 2. Quite similar..

 

[JJ427R]

Pricing on the Mach 1, starts at $52,915 What will dealer markups be on these?
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/2021-ford-mustang-mach-1-costs

 

[Shaffe]

Probably high at first like the Bullitt then discounts eventually

 

[RED09GT]

I don't see the demand for these being that strong.
Lot of money for a sticker package, a couple bolt-ons. The transmission is the only somewhat desireable part but it is a step down in power handling from the TR6060.

 

[Norm Peterson]

I don't see the demand for these being that good.
Lot of money for a sticker package, a couple bolt-ons. The transmission is the only somewhat desireable part but it is a step down in power handling from the TR6060.

It's also getting the coolers for the differential and transmission.

Certainly desirable parts for some buyers . . . like the ones it's intended for.


Norm

 

[RED09GT]

It's also getting the coolers for the differential and transmission.

Certainly desirable parts for some buyers . . . like the ones it's intended for.


Norm

As I said, it is a pretty small market.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Only the track guys need the diff and tranny cooling. But that doesn't mean that street-driven S550 GTs wouldn't benefit at least a little by it, even if it's only during extended highway driving on a 100°F summer day. To me, it's more like when 40 years ago you'd opt for the heavy-duty cooling system over the base system.

The S550's diff is not as open to cooling airflow as the S197's stick axle, being tucked up in a cradle. Nor does it have fluid splash against any axle tubes to help the fluid shed heat, and both of the S550's exhaust pipes run very close to the pumpkin. Hot air directly outside the S550's pumpkin directly reduces the rate of heat flow out through the pumpkin, and there's already been a couple of DIY approaches taken to try to fix this.

Two or three laps to overtemperature on the track means that there isn't as much margin against overtemperature on the street as there probably should be. And I'm going to assume that nobody who buys a Mach 1 is always going to drive it gently.


Norm

 

[JJ427R]

Two or three laps to overtemperature on the track means that there isn't as much margin against overtemperature on the street as there probably should be. And I'm going to assume that nobody who buys a Mach 1 is always going to drive it gently.

Exactly! I've posted previously I put my 2018 PP1 auto into limp mode at Road America in 12 minutes on track. For those who like to do their "spirited" driving on curvy mountain roads it does not take long at all for the 10 speed trans to overheat. Within a couple laps on track it was struggling shifting.

 

[tjm73]

A part of me thinks Ford missed the boat on this trim level. The Mach 1 was always the hot street and strip car. It's never been a road course car. Yet this car is optioned for the road course. To make things right in the universe Ford needs to also offer it with a Drag-Pak option.

 

[JJ427R]

Guessing it will have the similar electronics as the current Mustangs with the Track Apps, Track Mode, Drag Mode, etc....
But ford does not cover the car if you drive it on track, that's the big joke here!

Not actually true about the Mach 1 only being a street/strip car. In 1968 racecar drivers Mickey Thompson and Danny Ongais took three Mach 1 Mustangs to the Bonneville salt flats for a feature in Hot Rod magazine, in the process setting 295 speed and endurance records over a series of 500-mile and 24-hour courses.

 

[RED09GT]

The coolers sounds like an engineering issue for Ford that they should address across the platform rather than something you should throw a cold air intake, a couple stickers, and charge an extra 10K for.

After all the criticism for using a solid axle as long as they did, Ford gives the consumer a rear end that can't handle drag racing with sticky tires or road racing at all without significant upgrades.

 

[eighty6gt]

who is road racing GT's? Nobody without money to upgrade - see vorschlag and their endeavors

I think the GT's are perfect for what they do (poking the gas down on the boulevard) and this car is a nice out of the box solution for the casual open track guy.

I like it because it has a good transmission. I really hate the chinese wonder in standard GT's.

 

[tjm73]

If I bought a 2015 GT it'd have to have a manual transmission. And I would immediately start saving for a Magnum 6 speed to replace the China disaster.

 

[RED09GT]

I like it because it has a good transmission. I really hate the chinese wonder in standard GT's.

Shifts good but is fragile. Don't even think about a power adder with a TR3160. Why put a transmission that is only rated for 405 lb-ft behind an engine that makes 420 lb-ft?
Why not go with the proven TR6060? Put a dual-mass flywheel with a TR6060 and it will rival the TR3160 for smoothness.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Shifts good but is fragile. Don't even think about a power adder with a TR3160. Why put a transmission that is only rated for 405 lb-ft behind an engine that makes 420 lb-ft?

Transmission torque ratings aren't as simple as needing to at least match the flywheel torque number. Seems vehicle weight and the first gear reduction ratio can also be involved.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

who is road racing GT's? Nobody without money to upgrade - see vorschlag and their endeavors

I think the GT's are perfect for what they do (poking the gas down on the boulevard) and this car is a nice out of the box solution for the casual open track guy.

Even a casual track day guy can overheat a GT's differential fluid. That hardly qualifies as a 'nice solution' no matter whose it was. Never mind that "casual" track day drivers are apt to become at least semi-serious track day drivers.

At the very least, the PP2 cars should have been better. They had a lot of the right parts for HPDE but missed the mark on that critical cooling one.



Norm

 

[JJ427R]

At the very least, the PP2 cars should have been better. They had a lot of the right parts for HPDE but missed the mark on that critical cooling one.

Yep, and it started with the 2016 GT350, have not heard what is happening with that lawsuit? You'd think ford would have learned with that and upgraded the PP1 and PP2 cars, all they did was put in a supposed larger radiator that doesn't do shit. They build these car with Track apps and say they are only to be used on track, but the car can't run on track and Ford won't back it up! IMO its the biggest scam Ford ever had!

 

[Norm Peterson]

I'm not even sure that the diff cooling issue was the worst one for the non-PP GTs as far as even novice-level track driving is concerned. How about those front rotors that you simply cannot provide additional cooling air to because they draw air in from the wrong side.


Norm