the sandman
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Is anyone that ran theses still around? I look at the list and my high 13 car should be low 12,s. Im just wondering how much truth is in the list as far as what it takes to get there. I see alot of 281,s stock cam, heads etc.
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the sandman
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Guess Everyone has moved on. I did hear from one of the top list members. My car must need a refresh. Has all the required equipment to run 12,s except a good driver.
Dino Dino Bambino
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You could get low 12's with what I have plus more suspension upgrades, drag radials, and weight reduction. Cams & higher ratio axle gears will also get you closer, especially once you've performed the necessary traction upgrades that'll allow you a higher rpm launch without spinning the tires.
Of the aforementioned mods, the only one that's free is weight reduction (empty trunk contents including spare wheel, remove rear seat back/bottom, remove front passenger seat, and run only a 1/4 tank of gas). If you're carrying a few extra pounds yourself, losing them will reduce unnecessary ballast
! You could lighten the front end with a tubular K-member, A-arms, radiator support with front anti-sway bar delete, and a lighter driver's seat but those mods will cost you quite a few $.There are many calculators and formulas, but 100Lb = .10 tenth in the quarter mile.
Again, what are you trying to achieve? You have to have a goal and budget...
My 05' GT with minor mods is a consistent mid-13 streetcar, while my 87' 5.0L LX Coupe is purposely built for street & strip running mid-11's on motor. My daily, Audi A4 S-Line is a highway cruiser, so it has never been to the racetrack, but modified with a Stage 2 kit which goes from 55 --> 155+ MPH in a blink of an eye...
Oh, driving style (launching, traction, power shifting, reaction times, etc.) all factor in on good ETs.
Again, what are you trying to achieve? You have to have a goal and budget...
My 05' GT with minor mods is a consistent mid-13 streetcar, while my 87' 5.0L LX Coupe is purposely built for street & strip running mid-11's on motor. My daily, Audi A4 S-Line is a highway cruiser, so it has never been to the racetrack, but modified with a Stage 2 kit which goes from 55 --> 155+ MPH in a blink of an eye...
Oh, driving style (launching, traction, power shifting, reaction times, etc.) all factor in on good ETs.
the sandman
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Hey Dino,I currently have the big JLTcai, ported TB, cmcv delete, cams, BBK Long tubes, ORX pipe, 2.5" to borlas, Aluminum DS, MGK short shifter, 4.10,s, skinnies and 275x60x15 MT drag radials on sve drags stars. I know the DR are too tall but I got them used. I don't want to drill holes in my new wheels to put the 26" slicks on so been looking for back wheels. I have rear lower control arms and wide band o2 coming. Don't have alot of time left before strip closes for season. Want to get some runs in soon. Car is 3600lbs with me and 1/4 tank, has 180k so engine is soft. I want car to run mid to low 12,s. It is my fun car street strip nice weather ride.
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Dino Dino Bambino
I have a red car
Do you have a recent time slip to post? It might provide a clue as to what you're missing because, at least on paper, you should be running slightly better times than me.
Midlife Crises
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Who’s tune are you running? What is your 60 Ft time? A time slip will show where the car is soft.
skwerl
tree hugger
I had 14 lbs of boost and still only managed mid 11's in my Bullitt. But I was rowing a 6 speed, not just flooring the skinny pedal with an auto.
I got into the mid to high 12's with a best of 12:46 @110mph when I was N/A with bolt-ons. Mods were Kooks L/T headers, UDPs, tune, CAI, 4:10's, rear LCA and UCA, Aluminum driveshaft and 26" drag radials with skinnies on the front.
skwerl
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Let's face it, the 3v 4.6 was a lousy platform. Once Ford came out with the 4v 5.0 in 2011, it only took about 3 years for all 3v support to evaporate. The Coyote was 100hp stronger right out of the gate, before any power adders. I spent a lot of money getting another 100hp out of my 3v.
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Show us some time slips. What track are you running at? What is the DA at the track when you are running. I ran consistent low 12's with long tubes, catless, tune, 4.10 gears, drag radials, super light wheels, and suspension upgrades. It took a bit of work to get the 60' down.
However, my track is at sea level.
However, my track is at sea level.
StockishS197
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My previous 06 ran 12.99 @106 with just a CAI and tune. With bolt ons, hot rod cams and 3.73s, it ran 12.50s at 110ish full weight and street tires.
Low 12s with bolt ons, race weight and radials is fairly easy.
Edit: forgot to add both my cars were manual. If you have an auto, you will need a converter. In either case you will need gears too. Also at sea level and good DA.
Low 12s with bolt ons, race weight and radials is fairly easy.
Edit: forgot to add both my cars were manual. If you have an auto, you will need a converter. In either case you will need gears too. Also at sea level and good DA.
Dino Dino Bambino
I have a red car
At the time of its launch 20 years ago, 300hp from 4.6L was pretty decent though, let's face it, Ford did leave a lot of power under the table. With just a decent tune alone, 325hp was possible and that would have handily beaten the 4.6 4V. I think I've got my car where it should have been from the outset with ~365hp & ~375lbft (crank) from simple bolt ons and a tune (stock HCI). That's 105hp & 73lbft more than a stock 4.6 2V!!
The Coyote is undoubtedly a much superior platform and IMO, the Gen 3/4 versions are the best N/A 5.0L engines on the planet. With just a CAI, LT headers, Gen 3 intake manifold, 93 octane tune, suspension, and tires on an 11-14 GT, an 11.XX time slip is possible.
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StockishS197
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Power/VE wise absolutely the 5.0 smashes the 4.6 3v it’s true, especially Gen 2,3s.
I wouldn’t call the 3v lousy by any stretch though. Its a great tuning platform to learn on. Bolt ons, cams etc are really only an afternoon job and tuning itself is far easier to learn on than coyotes.
Making mid 350rwhp with bolt ons and cams with 4.6 isn’t bad by any means. And don’t forget the platform is 20 years old at this point.
skwerl
tree hugger
Yup, and the Coyote platform is 15 years old. I dare say in another 20 years people will still be building and racing Coyotes but nobody will be building and racing the 3v 4.6. Hell, almost nobody is racing the 3v now.
the sandman
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I haven't had it to mid michigan motorplex in Stanton(bout ten miles) yet but on dragy I was running 14.0 at 99 to 100mph 13.9,s at 101 with 2.0 60ft if I remember correctly on street rubber. But it should be a bit better now. I just need to get couple things on it first. I don't have UDP or head work yet and when I get those im hoping to do a refresh with 12 to 1,s. Maybe continue to tweek suspension. Then I should be happy for awhile
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Sactown
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Blasphemy! 3v rule!
Dino Dino Bambino
I have a red car
That's a decent 60' but I'd say you're probably upshifting too early. You can easily wind the engine up to 6500-6700rpm with your mods.
skwerl said:
If like to see the look on the Coyote guys' faces when a built 1000+rwhp 3V hands them their asses!
Nothing like some boost and E85 to level the playing field!
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the sandman
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Well there went close to a grand just to get the slicks on and that's with cheep wheels. Good news is I should have them and lowers on by weekend. Still waiting on wideband
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