The Official LostSoul Thread!!

[MLC40]

How much would it cost to get the car to ST? God knows Adam will take good care of you.

 

[ZmanM3]

there is a tuner in Oakdale that I have talked to, shops name is Performance dyno tuning,(uses the predator) since I couldnt get the interest up to get Doug out I think I will try these guys, I had an SFI tune myself, didnt have any issues but didnt run it very long, only complaint was not leaving user functions unlocked. hope you get your troubles worked out

My last tuner locked all the user options, but opened them for me when I asked. They said they lock them because they don't know what people will do after they leave the shop and then blame them for.

 

[ZmanM3]

ST or PMP FTW

I'm really sorry to hear about your engine problems TED, but at least it looks like you may have caught it in time to save the engine for the most part this time. Fixing this engine will be much cheaper then buying a new one I bet.

 

[DirtyDogOfTheDesert]

Didn't you say you already used Adam at St? Then went to some other guy afterwards. I don't personally know these guys, but Adam is very highly spoke about on the forums, so why second geuss his work?

Secondly, milage doesn't mean anything. A poor tune, bad gas, like I said before so many variables. You can kill a new engine with a bad tune, so mileage means nothing Ted. My cars got about 7000miles total on it and engine #3 is going in. I now keep spare built engines ready to go, why, because I'm pushing it to the limts, and backing it down, would make the car boring, which I just wont' do.

I'm not trying to bust your balls too badly here Ted, but you've got to it figured out and then fixed. Forget blaming a bad tuner. You don't just get to pay one and that's it. It is never ending...........pay........pay again.......pay some more......

If I was closer to you I'd be there right away to help out. Hell, if that yellow turd sits for months with chicken shit all over again like last time, I may just make a special trip.

 

[Charlie Sheen]

Didn't you say you already used Adam at St? Then went to some other guy afterwards. I don't personally know these guys, but Adam is very highly spoke about on the forums, so why second geuss his work?...

Lostsoul upped the boost and had some other stuff done, that was the reason for the local re-tune.

Actually, Adam@ST has been very helpful in sheading some light on the current situation.

 

[don_w]

Lostsoul upped the boost and had some other stuff done, that was the reason for the local re-tune.

Upped the boost? 600rwhp? On 91 octane gas?

Things that make you go, "Hmmmm".

 

[DirtyDogOfTheDesert]

Lostsoul upped the boost and had some other stuff done, .

There's always more to the story...............

 

[lostsoul]

I have the upgraded mmr fuel rail in redfire... the best color fuel rail ever, period...

 

[Charlie Sheen]

There's always more to the story...............

It's a never-ending story...

 

[cekim]

It's a never-ending story...

I don't suppose that story has a chapter on wideband A/F gauges and what they said during recent runs to the track?

 

[ZmanM3]

I have the upgraded mmr fuel rail in redfire... the best color fuel rail ever, period...

Ha ha, the Redfire fuel rails flow the most!! Now if you painted the SYT to Redfire it would probably be faster and not have tuning issues.

 

[ZmanM3]

I don't suppose that story has a chapter on wideband A/F gauges and what they said during recent runs to the track?

Threads like this are part of why a Wide Band A/F was a must for my engine swap.

 

[The Dizzel]

hey Ted, at least this thread is not labled "She's Dead, Jim"

Mabe this post will beat the replies to that...

 

[cekim]

Threads like this are part of why a Wide Band A/F was a must for my engine swap.

A/F data is a must these days and in relative terms it is so cheap compared to the engine that its a little silly not to do for HP levels like this...

Even if the tune is right when you roll out of the tuner, it doesn't mean it will stay that way - particularly if you change pulleys

I have been looking hard into fuel systems for my setup and I get the impression from everyone I spoke to with a clue that ~600RWHP is right about where you really start running into trouble with the stock fuel lines being the limiting factor... Even with ford GT pumps and rails, if you still have the stock lines between them you are choking the system...

What's more, I keep hearing hints of very high RPMs on that car (crossing the line in 3rd and some nice MPH #'s). Was the car dyno'd at these RPMs? A/F graph handy?

 

[ZmanM3]

A/F data is a must these days and in relative terms it is so cheap compared to the engine that its a little silly not to do for HP levels like this...

Even if the tune is right when you roll out of the tuner, it doesn't mean it will stay that way - particularly if you change pulleys

I have been looking hard into fuel systems for my setup and I get the impression from everyone I spoke to with a clue that ~600RWHP is right about where you really start running into trouble with the stock fuel lines being the limiting factor... Even with ford GT pumps and rails, if you still have the stock lines between them you are choking the system...

What's more, I keep hearing hints of very high RPMs on that car (crossing the line in 3rd and some nice MPH #'s). Was the car dyno'd at these RPMs? A/F graph handy?

I know what you mean about things changing. I still have the stock fuel system in my car and when it got tuned 20 months ago it was more then up to handeling the 7PSI my S/C was putting out with the 3.6" pully and I has an A/F of about 11.2. But between now and then either my fuel pump or my FPMD has started to go south and when I put my car on a Dyno for a club dyno day the AF was at 13.5 and I don't have my wide band in. That right there would have been enough to convince me I need to have a Wide band if I had not been convinced already.

 

[lostsoul]

no.. no.. no.. its not like I got tuned and then threw in a pulley. haha I lowered the pulley long ago and then went to this local guy to do it. I was not at 600rwhp. This best I got was 525 and thats late at night and 2 fans blowing in the thing. I have taken the car 2 times with the same setup to the tuner. Last time was 3 months ago to fix this cold start issue. 2 times he had his chance to see something wrong with a/f or timing. These issues didn't magically show up.. its been going on for a while.

now if fuel pressure was an issues wouldn't more then one cylinder have trouble?

DirtyDog= I think you need to visit Sunny California soon

There wont be any chickens this time.. I have my own house.. just need to get allot of things.. I'm not sure if I want to tackle this now or just drive it for a while(nicely) then hit it later when more cash is free....

 

[cekim]

no.. no.. no.. its not like I got tuned and then threw in a pulley. haha I lowered the pulley long ago and then went to this local guy to do it. I was not at 600rwhp. This best I got was 525 and thats late at night and 2 fans blowing in the thing. I have taken the car 2 times with the same setup to the tuner. Last time was 3 months ago to fix this cold start issue. 2 times he had his chance to see something wrong with a/f or timing. These issues didn't magically show up.. its been going on for a while.

What was the max RPM he saw on the dyno and what was the max RPM you (or Roper) saw at the track?

As for one cylinder vs the other, it depends on your fuel rails as to which would get starved first, but the rears run hotter so even with the same starvation of all the cylinders, they will often detonate first... It only takes "one ping only" -Sean Connery

 

[n0nleft13]

chevron in Stockton. I just cant tell if the 2 issues are from the same thing. The main reason I'm worried about the head gasket is that its the upgraded one from mmr and there was someone else that got the same mmr block and maybe same gasket (Hotown??) an I think he said it blew his built motor. I have been trying to find that thread.. I think its somewhere at mod fords. I remember Michael doing a compression check on the cylenders and they came out pretty good. I dont know if a leak down was do or the difference

I just found this thread, sorry to see all the problems your having with this thing. I'll look over at Modfords now but can you think of keywords I could use in the search besides: MMR block, Hotown head gasket?

 

[n0nleft13]

I'm tired and about to go to bed but looking over there for a bit and there was someone named HtownStang with a MMR900 block problem. I just skimmed it with gasket in my find search as i went through the pages. Someone said that they heard of a MMR block problem from the gaskets being backwards but then the source who said that denied it.
Towards the end Htown posted "
Sorry for late response, let make this clear I drove the car for a week now. I am not seeing problem that I had recent, and yes I have to relearn the way I drive stick, after drive the stick the way I drive my whole live. I take to the shop that I had the SB swap and had him drove the car he said it drive perfect. He can't reproduce the clatter noise. I got on the car and purposely reproduce the noise after couple of try. He explain that the noise are from the forged piston. Here are the reasons why

The built motor have bigger gap in piston walls clearance for Forged pistons to expand when it hot.
The factory piston walls clearance are tighter so the stock motor don't clatter when it at low RPM.
The older forged piston are much louder and these new forged pistons. You can barely hear the clatters noise at idle when it absolute quite night."

In the post people talked about it possibly being a tranny issue but I didn't read the details enough to tell you what they were sayin.

 

[lostsoul]

I remember him or someone having an issue with a head gasket.. thats why I wanted the leak down just in case. He was the only one I heard with that issue. All I was told from the engine builder I took my car too was that cylinder 8 was running hot. HE didnt say the head gasket was bad. Today Stanly and I helped blown05 with pulling out his engine and guess what cylinder blew.... #8. It may mean nothing.. but will have to wait for the tear down. Working on that car was not bad, but most of the work was done. I dont think I have the time or patients to rip everything out. One thing is for sure.. SYT WILL LIVE!!!!..