6.2 swap in an 08 gt

[redstangs9308gt]

Don't even sweat PATS. Hardly nothing to get disabled. Any tuner thats worth his weight in shit can disable PATS.

 

[Kuro!]

Don't even sweat PATS. Hardly nothing to get disabled. Any tuner thats worth his weight in shit can disable PATS.

Real talk

 

[iRoush]

Warning: Thread Jack. But just for a second...

I'm guessing that if PATS is disabled, you can put a push start in the car without needing a key? Or am I WAYYYYY off?

 

[Kuro!]

Warning: Thread Jack. But just for a second...

I'm guessing that if PATS is disabled, you can put a push start in the car without needing a key? Or am I WAYYYYY off?

You'd still need a way to power the car on... all the push button does is bypass the ignition

 

[iRoush]

You'd still need a way to power the car on... all the push button does is bypass the ignition

Oh, the reason I ask is because my mom just went and bought the new Edge and it has the push button. I'd love to just leave the key in my pocket. I got spoiled when I had to drive a Mercedes S600 for a while. lol. Ok, well I'll do some more searching.

As for this swap, this is going real well. I can't wait to see how it all goes.

 

[one eyed willy]

Warning: Thread Jack. But just for a second...

I'm guessing that if PATS is disabled, you can put a push start in the car without needing a key? Or am I WAYYYYY off?

you would need a switch to power all your accessories, the start push button is only a momentary switch that would only energize the starter while you crank.......and then you would need a way to over ride the lock in the steering wheel.

you could use a numeric keypad to activate the accessories if you wanted it to be trick, so then no one could just start it with out the code.

 

[Genius]

I have everything from front seat area forward. As far as ford goes, no one at a dealer has a clue. If it can't be answered with a mouse click or two than its an impossibility. NEVER have I left a dealer without being amused or disgusted. And ford racing tech line isn't much better. Treated like your stupid and wasting their time cause they don't know nor do they care. A ford engineer on the other hand would be great. But they are underneath unicorns and leprechauns on my hard to find list.

Sorry guess you struck a nerve. LoL!

Hmmm, where you located?

 

[Dreadknought]

you would need a switch to power all your accessories, the start push button is only a momentary switch that would only energize the starter while you crank.......and then you would need a way to over ride the lock in the steering wheel.

you could use a numeric keypad to activate the accessories if you wanted it to be trick, so then no one could just start it with out the code.

In between the tumber and ignition switch there is a recess that the key also turns that locks and unlocks the steering wheel. Once I remove PATS and then the tumbler I can just leave that peice always unlocked. I currently have the ignition switch relocated and hidden. Any idea where to find a keypad like that?
Apologies for the jack...

 

[giddyup]

have you contacted Eric brooks? he will not only help you,but he can also sell you the sct PRP,and will work with you to teach you how to tune.

 

[Dreadknought]

God knows I'd creme myself to tune my own car. Any idea of contact info and price?

 

[one eyed willy]

In between the tumber and ignition switch there is a recess that the key also turns that locks and unlocks the steering wheel. Once I remove PATS and then the tumbler I can just leave that peice always unlocked. I currently have the ignition switch relocated and hidden. Any idea where to find a keypad like that?
Apologies for the jack...

try ebay, the code and everything is stored in the keypad, so after you enter the code it would spit out 12 volts.

 

[Czaker]

Hmmm, where you located?

NW ohio

 

[Czaker]

You would be surprised how many experienced tuners out there don't know the black voodoo magic of PATS or how to disable it. The 2011 PATS system is different than the rest. The PATS signal doesn't go to the PCM, it goes to a different module which depends on model. For example the mustang uses the IPC or Insturment panel cluster, superduty uses the BCM or body control module. That module has the transciever that reads the keys transmitter through the antenna in the steer column. If the signal matches then the module turns the info into a high speed CAN permission signal that is sent to the PCM. Then the PCM sends power to the proper circuits,one being the starter.
I have a matching key and insturment panel cluster, but from what I understand the HS CAN signal frequency has to be mated between the PCM and IPC.
SO WHO KNOWS THE ANSWER!!!! Does the pcm and ipc HS CAN frequency
Have to be matched -OR- once the cluster module converts it from analog to digital and sends permission an I good to go????

 

[Mike K]

You just spoke another fuckin language! Lol
I am no help on this matter but learning

 

[Dreadknought]

Ditto
Now I see why the old timers don't like this computer shit lol.

 

[06silverbullet]

You would be surprised how many experienced tuners out there don't know the black voodoo magic of PATS or how to disable it. The 2011 PATS system is different than the rest. The PATS signal doesn't go to the PCM, it goes to a different module which depends on model. For example the mustang uses the IPC or Insturment panel cluster, superduty uses the BCM or body control module. That module has the transciever that reads the keys transmitter through the antenna in the steer column. If the signal matches then the module turns the info into a high speed CAN permission signal that is sent to the PCM. Then the PCM sends power to the proper circuits,one being the starter.
I have a matching key and insturment panel cluster, but from what I understand the HS CAN signal frequency has to be mated between the PCM and IPC.
SO WHO KNOWS THE ANSWER!!!! Does the pcm and ipc HS CAN frequency
Have to be matched -OR- once the cluster module converts it from analog to digital and sends permission an I good to go????

i know a ford dealership can reprogram that pats stuff to work together, i had a problem with my gt where it had become "unprogrammed" and the alarm would just go on and on and on non stop. took it to ford and they reprogrammed the whole system in about 3 hours.

 

[bmaxwell]

I wonder how many cars have been saved from being stolen or whatever due to PATS lol

 

[06silverbullet]

I wonder how many cars have been saved from being stolen or whatever due to PATS lol

not very many, if someone wants a car they'll just flat bed it.

 

[TexasBlownV8]

You would be surprised how many experienced tuners out there don't know the black voodoo magic of PATS or how to disable it. The 2011 PATS system is different than the rest. The PATS signal doesn't go to the PCM, it goes to a different module which depends on model. For example the mustang uses the IPC or Insturment panel cluster, superduty uses the BCM or body control module. That module has the transciever that reads the keys transmitter through the antenna in the steer column. If the signal matches then the module turns the info into a high speed CAN permission signal that is sent to the PCM. Then the PCM sends power to the proper circuits,one being the starter.
I have a matching key and insturment panel cluster, but from what I understand the HS CAN signal frequency has to be mated between the PCM and IPC.
SO WHO KNOWS THE ANSWER!!!! Does the pcm and ipc HS CAN frequency
Have to be matched -OR- once the cluster module converts it from analog to digital and sends permission an I good to go????

Frequency is only part of it, but that shouldn't be that critical. The transmission and reception of serial packets of data are what comprise the data transfer between the components (PCM, SBJ, IPC, air bag module, Radio, etc.). Typically there's a request/response signal, with binary encoding of data and command, as well as addressing to the appropriate device.
Signal encoding is usually dependent on frequency of a specific component, to encode data into a binary stream based on some known or expected bit spacing frequency. Simple serialization and deserialization/decoding once received.
...without getting too detailed...

 

[Czaker]

Frequency is only part of it, but that shouldn't be that critical. The transmission and reception of serial packets of data are what comprise the data transfer between the components (PCM, SBJ, IPC, air bag module, Radio, etc.). Typically there's a request/response signal, with binary encoding of data and command, as well as addressing to the appropriate device.
Signal encoding is usually dependent on frequency of a specific component, to encode data into a binary stream based on some known or expected bit spacing frequency. Simple serialization and deserialization/decoding once received.
...without getting too detailed...

All of that and you didn't even come close to answering my question.
If I have a matched pats key and insturment cluster panel from a 2011 mustang will the PCM from 2010 raptor accept the permission signal. They both have the same pin out on a black oak/copperhead PCM.