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Not sure if my lackey Dylan planned on giving you guys a heads up or not...

But this Chassis Mount kit will be going up to around $700 in March 2016.

Of course, we are now going to go back an visit our Diff Mount Version....which was the version we originally intended on being the more econo-friendly unit...aimed at that $500 mark that I mentioned like 9 years ago when I started this thread. ;)
 

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Not sure if my lackey Dylan planned on giving you guys a heads up or not...

But this Chassis Mount kit will be going up to around $700 in March 2016.

Of course, we are now going to go back an visit our Diff Mount Version....which was the version we originally intended on being the more econo-friendly unit...aimed at that $500 mark that I mentioned like 9 years ago when I started this thread. ;)

Is there a reason besides cost that you are planning on offering a differential mounted Watts? I would think the frame mount would be preferred to the diff mount.
 

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Finally got it installed.

Well, hello Bullittheads. As promised, I am reviewing the 2 chassis mounted watts links.

As many of you know I have had 4 S197s over the years with all sorts of suspension mods. Here is a quick comparison between the adjustable panhard bar, Fays 2 watts and BMR watts.

The adjustable panhard bar just allows you to locate the axle where it should be after lowering and as such just returns the axle to its normal position. As the car is lowered, and the panhard bar is attached to the driver's side of the axle and the passengers side of the frame as the car is lowered or goes over a bump, the axle shifts to the drivers side. That's why no matter what shocks/struts/springs/control arms you put on your s197, the axle will still shift around. Exaggerated when going through a curve or hitting a bump as the axle shifts. Not good.

The 2 watts links in question replace the panhard bar with a device which attaches to the frame on the left and right rigidly. So, the first benefit is a stiffer rear chassis.

In the center of brackets is a propeller. The center of which attaches to this bracket with a large bolt and bushing. On the Fays its a bearing type, not greaseable, metal to metal. On the BMR its a poly bushing like some lower control arms have which has a bushing and grease fitting which is in a poor position to grease. you need to partially disassemble the unit to grease.

FAYS2: Note the "O" rings to "keep the dirt out"




Both have brackets which attach to the axle tubes. Clamps which allow rods to go from this tube bracket to one side of the propeller. Think of a scissors which as it opens and closes has both ends moving proportionally together. It FORCES the axle to stay centered no matter the up/down movement. When you install either watts you immediately notice that the car stays where it should through a curve or bump giving you MAJOR CONFIDENCE. Like many good things in life, its hard to go back to a panhard bar once you have tasted the watts.

BMR: Note the poly bushings and grease fittings as well as the 2 step axle mounts.





The BMR has twice as many parts as the Fays, and it is immediately apparent that it is a superior product. The parts fit excellent and allow for installation which is precise. The Fays is VERY difficult to get just right as there is are only 2 adjustments: the tube bracket and the rod. On the BMR, you mount the brackets to the farthest on the tubes and then you can move the additional rod brackets vertically up and down. When installing just use a level to make the bracket on the BMR vertical. Kelly suggested I download the bubble app for my phone and it worked great and free.

The problem with the Fays is since there is movement back/forth, up/down, in/out, every time you get is situated on one side, it effects the other. On the BMR, the movement is broken down in to separate parts and easy to adjust. For me it was once and done.

The BMR also comes with a poly bushing which is greaseable on one end keeping noise down, though the Fays is noiseless if perfectly set up. However the Fays will eventually, no matter what anyone says, make squeaking noise. Jim Fays says use white grease. Just take it apart (several hours work) move the heim joints 90 degrees and fill with white grease. Great: lasts about 2 weeks of driving and then "squeak".

The BMR also uses grade 8 bolts for every thing except the bolts which go through the frame. I am guessing that is because the metal on the frame is not stronger than the grade 5 bolts?

The BMR system looks as though it should cost twice the price of the Fays 2. I am sure they will raise the price up soon. I paid $550. Also, I put 500 miles on it in a few days and it is quiet, just as firm as the Fays. Only issue is that with my car lowered, on major bumps it thumps (like the Fays) and I am guessing it is caused by the exhaust.

Overall I would say it is worth it. No increase in NVH, better handling than giant anti sway bars and quieter. Support from Kelly at BMR was just great.
 

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in the one axle clamp, the upper portion has that slot cutout in the upper clamp, does that go over something?
 

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in the one axle clamp, the upper portion has that slot cutout in the upper clamp, does that go over something?

I am guessing it is for the axle vent. The vent on my 2008 housing was on the passenger side and the vent on my 2013 housing is on the driver's side.


 

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nelsonbullitt,

Excellent review and pictures of the two systems.

Thanks for taking the time to share ..........



T.
 

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BMR rod ended Watts and relocation brackets ordered. Said they should be putting it together and shipping it out tomorrow. Hopefully will be installing both next weekend, if weather holds out up here in the NE I will give some street impressions on my horrific Pirellis. If it is nice enough I will toss the R6s on. :)

Planning on installing a spherical in the rearend and spherical upper control arm as well, going to do two separate installs so I can gauge improvements by both.
 

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Is the Diff mounted version still on track for an end of year debut?

Out of the 2 versions which would be most adjustable/effective?


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Is the Diff mounted version still on track for an end of year debut?

Out of the 2 versions which would be most adjustable/effective?


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We're still working on it, but we don't have a final design yet. I would be surprised if it is finished before the end of the year at this rate. However, the chassis kit is an excellent piece. The good thing about the chassis kits too is that it helps reduce RC migration, which is more prevalent on a diff mounted version.


Anyone who is looking to get into a WL, next week is the time! The price will be going up early next year unfortunately, but you can score a sweet deal on the intro price + our Black Friday discount. :clap:
 

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We're still working on it, but we don't have a final design yet. I would be surprised if it is finished before the end of the year at this rate.

I remember in 1992, when Kelly first told us about the s197 chassis mount version, and said it would be done by the end of the year. Then it came out in 2015
 

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Hell, he told me and Frankie, back in 84, about the axle tube braces, and we still haven't seen them.
 

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CHE revised their axle brace to work with the BMR relocation brackets if I am remembering what Kelly said correctly.
 

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Looks like its a kit that gives the rear two brake calipers
 

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Installed the Watts linkage (rod ends, only way to go) and relocation brackets Friday night and finished up on Saturday.

Not much to add over what has been said. Great quality kit, only issue I can see is that if you want to run higher RC heights, the drivers side bracket doesn't seem as if it would accommodate it while keeping the bars parallel (ish). I am at the third hole from the bottom on the frame mount, and on the drivers side I am the second hole from the top. Not an issue for me as I don't plan on running higher RC heights, in fact I will probably go lower. My lethal OAPs are also really close to that bracket. Only about 1.5" of clearance. Car lowered about 1.25" in the rear. Couldn't get it to hit on the street with 300lb. springs back there but may have to run turndowns if I go lower.

Driving impressions same as everyone else. Going from a spherical BMR panhard to this kit, the car just has a much more stable feeling, no more kicking to the side over large bumps, seems to put power down turning right as well as left instead of the large difference before. Would love to give more of an impression but it's too cold here to really have too much fun. Puts power down going straight MUCH better thanks to the relo brackets.

One reason I purchased this over the Fays2 is it is beefy. I hillclimb, track, and generally abuse this car and frankly the Fays2 is scary. I spoke with Kelly on the phone (great guy BTW) and as I told him, I appreciate someone willing to sacrifice a few lbs. to build a kit that doesn't look like it will snap off the axle in a week. Still may tack the axle brackets on but for now they are marked and will be retorqued often.

And it's very red. They were out of hammertone and I didn't want to wait. :)

If anyone has any specific questions feel free to ask away.
 
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